Greta Smack Down: Social Engineer Put in Her Place

VAN SUSTEREN: Are you saying it was a bad jury?

RAND: I do not believe that Trayvon got equal justice in this instance.

VAN SUSTEREN: Specifically how? Tell me the evidence…

RAND: Because…

VAN SUSTEREN: Tell me the evidence that the jury didn’t hear.

RAND: The evidence that the jury didn’t hear?

VAN SUSTEREN: Right.

RAND: I don’t think that they properly considered the evidence. If they had listened to the evidence and if they had followed the law, then George Zimmerman would have been convicted of murder.

VAN SUSTEREN: Well…

RAND: I mean, he got out of the car — he got out of the car…

VAN SUSTEREN: Are you — you’re a lawyer!

RAND: … with a loaded gun. He followed…

VAN SUSTEREN: You’re a lawyer, right?

RAND: Yes.

VAN SUSTEREN: And the whole point of the jury is that we assign the job to weigh the facts. We draft them. We make them sit there. Lot of times, they don’t want to be there. We then present the evidence, and the judge then says, Here’s the evidence, here’s the law, instructs them on the law, and it’s your duty — it’s not mine, it’s not yours, it’s not anybody else’s in the community, but it’s the jury’s duty to weigh them. And all of a sudden, suddenly, afterwards, that you say they can’t do their job?

RAND: I have a greater duty beyond being an attorney, and that’s to be a social engineer. And when the law doesn’t get it right, I believe that we have the right to peacefully and morally, conscientiously object to the decision of the jury.

That doesn’t mean that we believe that it’s going to be overturned or that it will or that we don’t respect the decision that those six people made. But there are millions of people out there who don’t agree with that decision. So it’s not just the legal team.

VAN SUSTEREN: You know what the problem is, though? You know, that…

RAND: It’s millions of people…

(CROSSTALK)

RAND: … from all over the world.

VAN SUSTEREN: That’s deeply disturbing that you say millions are out there who didn’t see it! You know and I know that millions of people who may not like a verdict, whether it’s for it or against this case or another, didn’t watch the case, didn’t sit in the courtroom, didn’t weigh the evidence, didn’t listen to jury instructions. That’s just noise. That’s why we have court systems is so that people — so that both sides have an opportunity to be heard.

This social engineering — I don’t know if that’s more like social manipulation than social — I don’t want social engineering is. But actually, justice is presented in the courtroom with a jury deciding it and both sides having an opportunity. That’s justice, and the jury deciding it.

RAND: Courtrooms do not always deliver justice, as I’m sure you well know. You’re aware of the Civil Rights movement. You’re aware of the changes that we had to make…

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