Identical Twin Studies Show the Only Gay Genes that Exist are Made by Versace

gay jeansEight major studies of identical twins in Australia, the U.S., and Scandinavia during the last two decades all arrive at the same conclusion: gays were not born that way.

“At best genetics is a minor factor,” says Dr. Neil Whitehead, PhD. Whitehead worked for the New Zealand government as a scientific researcher for 24 years, then spent four years working for the United Nations and International Atomic Energy Agency. Most recently, he serves as a consultant to Japanese universities about the effects of radiation exposure. His PhD is in biochemistry and statistics.

Identical twins have the same genes or DNA. They are nurtured in equal prenatal conditions. If homosexuality is caused by genetics or prenatal conditions and one twin is gay, the co-twin should also be gay.

“Because they have identical DNA, it ought to be 100%,” Dr. Whitehead notes. But the studies reveal something else. “If an identical twin has same-sex attraction the chances the co-twin has it are only about 11% for men and 14% for women.”

Because identical twins are always genetically identical, homosexuality cannot be genetically dictated. “No-one is born gay,” he notes. “The predominant things that create homosexuality in one identical twin and not in the other have to be post-birth factors.”

Dr. Whitehead believes same-sex attraction (SSA) is caused by “non-shared factors,” things happening to one twin but not the other, or a personal response to an event by one of the twins and not the other.

For example, one twin might have exposure to pornography or sexual abuse, but not the other. One twin may interpret and respond to their family or classroom environment differently than the other. “These individual and idiosyncratic responses to random events and to common environmental factors predominate,” he says.

The first very large, reliable study of identical twins was conducted in Australia in 1991, followed by a large U.S. study about 1997. Then Australia and the U.S. conducted more twin studies in 2000, followed by several studies in Scandinavia, according to Dr. Whitehead.

“Twin registers are the foundation of modern twin studies. They are now very large, and exist in many countries. A gigantic European twin register with a projected 600,000 members is being organized, but one of the largest in use is in Australia, with more than 25,000 twins on the books.”

A significant twin study among adolescents shows an even weaker genetic correlation. In 2002 Bearman and Brueckner studied tens of thousands of adolescent students in the U.S. The same-sex attraction concordance between identical twins was only 7.7% for males and 5.3% for females—lower than the 11% and 14% in the Australian study by Bailey et al conducted in 2000.

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  • bungicord

    Yet we are required to accept their intentional perversions as normal. God says that those who allow sin are just as responsible as the sinner. Don’t be afraid to call a sin a sin.

    • night

      Jesus also said let he who is without sin cast the first stone. Can you honestly say that you don’t sin? The bible says that there are no degrees of sin. One is just as bad as the other. Go by the entire bible, not just what suits you at the time.

      • Peace and love

        It’s not about who’s sin is greater than who’s…
        Any sin goes against God.
        Any sexual act committed outside of marriage between a man and a woman is dis-ordered to the natural law of God.
        It’s biblical.
        Whether u believe it tome not its still the truth.
        So it’s not about casting stones it’s about preaching the truth.

      • EnidM

        I think the point Bungicord was making is we should not accept this sin or any as something normal and fine. Which is what our society is trying to say. If our society all of a sudden said there is something that make people kill someone else and that is just fine and we need to accept that some people are prone to kill people and we should say that is just fine and sit back and accept it. This would be wrong just as much as it is wrong to say the homosexual act is not a sin.

        • Kerston

          Seem to have done it with divorce and sex outside of marriage for decades. Don’t see people trying to pass legislation against divorce or remarriage. It bothers me when the bigots try and excuse themselves for their picking and choosing of which sin is worse. I think Bungicords point was very clear.
          Fact is so called Christians like to demonize the sins they think they can avoid as worse than the ones they can’t or are guilty of. Let’s be honest.

          • Marlo Miller Ricciardi

            You are right, we started straying from the good book’s teachings and trying to normalize sin in the early 60s with women’s lib and the great society which destrowyed the black family.

          • KentPerry

            Thats because you don’t see a lobby for fornicators and wife cheaters or adultery activists saying its normal DO YOU?? NOPE So take youru accusation and shove it bigot

        • anon

          Our society is not made up of only Christians sharing the same ideals as you. People have many beliefs, and in a free country, we are free to practice any religion or non religion we like. It is wrong for you to try and enforce the beliefs of your book on others, who do not share those beliefs, and use it to deny them rights through restrictive laws.

          Also, I hardly think that what two consenting adults do behind closed doors in their own homes is the same as murder… you’re not actually suggesting that are you? Because that would be insane.

          Lying is also a sin. Should we enforce laws to persecute anyone who tells a fib? According to you, all sin is equal, so why stop with homosexuality? Let’s control every aspect of everyone’s lives, regardless of whether they’re Christian or not. After all, you seem to know what’s best for everyone.

          • EnidM

            The difference is that people are trying to say that this is not a sin and trying to make EVERYONE accept it. Who ever does NOT accept that what they are doing is fine then they go after them with hate and try to make them change their ideas or think they should be punished. How is this an example of a free country? They also want to make my children to accept their life styles. As people homosexuals are just like all of us but I do not need to accept what they do as good. Also it does effect others what they are doing for example many homosexuals get far more sexually transmitted diseases which our society a lot of times will need to pay for. Homosexual also have a lower life span. Which if you really love someone you want the best for them including no disease or early death. http://www.cdc.gov/msmhealth/STD.htm and http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9923159

          • h

            Heterosexual couples are the greatest cause of the inheritance of horrible familial diseases such as Huntington’s, so by your argument since your society needs to pay for the burden of their care therefore heterosexuality is also bad.

            PS african americans have a lower life span too, let ban them too

            Your logic is so flawed

          • KentPerry

            Quote:”
            PS african americans have a lower life span too, let ban them too
            Your logic is so flawed”
            //end quote

            Being african American is an immutable trait, BEING QUEER IS NOT!

          • me

            hahaha heterosexual activity whether through intercourse or using a male donar’s semen in a woman is the ONLY way for babies to be made= the only way that inherited diseases can be passed along. Your statement is not only painfully obvious, but it is a pathetic case to make.

          • dentabill

            Lying is not a sin. Bearing false witness against your neighbor is a sin. There is a difference.

          • Danny Adams

            Paul considered gossip an equal sin with murder, as Jesus considered all sins equal. Maybe we should have laws punishing gossip while we’re at it.

          • KentPerry

            Where Homosexuals are going, he (God) does punish it the same.

            So, becareful what you wish for, Hoss.

          • shea

            Jesus did NOT consider all sins equal Adams.

            If one really believes that all sin is equal (simply untrue, Scripture over and over declares different degrees of Sin ), how is it that homosexuality has been labeled by God as an abomination, and others are not? How is it that some sins
            Scripture has declared are capital sins ( punishable by death ) and others are not? The Old Testament tells us that God
            assigned different penalties to different sins. This tells us that certain sins differ in seriousness. Under the Old Testament law, for example but not limited to, a thief paid restitution; an occult practitioner was cut off from Israel; one who committed adultery or homosexuality was put to death (see Exodus 22 and Leviticus 20), etc., etc.

            Jesus himself said that some sins are worse than others when he told the Pharisees they were straining at a gnat (something little, but still bad) but swallowed a camel (something bigger and worse). “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your
            spices–mint, dill and cummin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law–justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former. You blind guides! You strain out a gnat
            but swallow a camel” (Matthew 23: 23 – 24).

            The words, “the more important matters of the law,”
            clearly point out that all commands, though each needing to be followed with the same enthusiasm, are not of equal significance. The statement, “You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel” is also applied in the same way.
            “Gnat” implies small sins, while “camel” refers to larger ones.

            1 Corinthians 6:18, it says, “Flee from sexual
            immorality. All other sins a man commits are outside his body, but he who sins sexually sins against his own body.” ( again a difference in sins )

            Remember Jesus’ words to Pilate? He said, “The one who handed me over to you is guilty of a greater sin” (John
            19:11). The phrase, “greater sin,” is there in black and white (or red in the Red Letter Edition). NONE of you get to gainsay or contradict Jesus words that there are greater and lesser degrees of sin!

            But if one believes that it is OK to allow someone to continue in homosexual sin, and all sins are equal, then it is OK to allow murderers to continue to murder, rapists to continue to rape, on and on, ad nauseam. Frankly the belief that ALL sins are equal is NOT Scriptural, nowhere does Scripture say this, but rather is another of the stupid statements that those who do not know Gods Word in its entirety claim, primarily to assuage their own consciousness.

          • Danny Adams

            Your point then ultimately seems to be that Jesus and Paul were in disagreement, and Paul is contradicted by the rest of the Bible.

          • shea

            No, it is your inability to correctly exegete Scripture that leaves you with the idea that Paul and Jesus were in disagreement. You employ the fallacious devices of eisegesis, the genesis of your error. But please elaborate.

          • Danny Adams

            By a literal interpretation of Paul, quite a lot of sins deserve death, in his words, which would appear to make them equal. Romans 1:28-32: “Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done. They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, and malice. They are gossips, Slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant, and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless. Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these things but also approve of those who practice them.”

          • shea

            But Paul did not believe that all sins deserved death, and so he does not believe them all to be equal.

          • Danny Adams

            He said “They have become filled with
            every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity.” Are you arguing that there are sins that aren’t wicked, evil, greedy, and depraved?

          • shea

            Adams you are not a theologian. Never heard one Biblical scholar claim that Paul thought all sin deserved death. You are also confusing spiritual death with physical death. Please read the original Greek and it will become clearer to you. You DO read Koine Greek, right?

          • Danny Adams

            I have studied it, as has my wife, who is a theologian. The word Paul uses is thanatos, which means spiritual and/or physical death. In the context here in the Koine it seems to indicate both: death of life before one dies in the self, thus gaining the spirit. You also didn’t address my original point with the quote about all evil, etc. things.

          • KentPerry

            Quote:”Lying is also a sin. Should we enforce laws to persecute anyone who tells a fib? According to you, all sin is equal, so why stop with homosexuality? Let’s control every aspect of everyone’s lives, regardless of whether they’re Christian or not. After all, you seem to know what’s best for everyone.”
            //END QUOTE

            Yes BUT WE DON’T SEE A POLITICAL LOBBY FOR LIARS TRYING TO TEACH OUR KIDS THAT LIARS ARE OK AND THAT IT’S NORMAL TO LIE ETC,!

          • Marlo Miller Ricciardi

            No and we shouldn’t pass laws to make being a homosexual an integral part of our formerly moral society

          • Marlo Miller Ricciardi

            Of course you are anon, you are a liberal loon. Right is right and wrong is wrong no matter what your religious beliefs. I do not care what they do between consenting adults behind closed doors but I do mind their trying to force it down my throat as normal and anyone who is against it is out of touch with society.
            I’ll let God judge but I choose to live my life by his rules and do not like being forced to accept things He told us was a mortal sin.

          • shea

            All sin is not equal anon, this is NOT Scriptural.

        • Michael Moerland

          Another stupid analogy. Equating being gay to killing someone? Really? Saying you believe it is a sin is one thing, trying to legislate the USA to declare it a sin is entirely different.

          • Fulfilling Torah

            God has already declared it a sin; worse, he calls it an abomination. All the non-sodomites are doing is saying what He already said, Sodomy is sin according to God. I can either agree with Him or not, as can you. Quite simple.

      • bungicord

        I don’t deny that I’m a sinner. I am pointing out to the fag that is teaching his filth to college students that He’s going to hell if He doesn’t repent and accept Jesus as his lord and savior. That’s all biblical.

        • KD Craig

          So if he does accept Jesus, but continues to live a homosexual lifestyle, what does that mean?

          • bungicord

            It means he continues to sin. He’s playing Russian roulette with his eternal life. Only God will know the sinners heart.

          • patp

            Whatever happened to “once saved always saved”? Geez, christards are so inconsistent with their beliefs…

          • bungicord

            If a person is in fact saved, that person shows it by his actions. Accepting Jesus in reality is not simple lip service. God knows your heart better than you do.

          • patp

            So now you believe in salvation by works. First it’s about faith and now it’s about actions. With over 30,000 denominations and sects, Xtians can’t agree on what to believe and yet they expect everyone else to believe what they do.

          • bungicord

            Understanding is for those who have faith. Get some. Mocking God is a really bad idea. I’ll pray that you’ll straighten yourself out before it’s too late.

          • patp

            How about you straighten your fundie brain instead?

            http://alturl.com/wgibq

          • Stuff Nick Says

            It’s simple, really.

            If you are walking across a rope bridge, you are acting on your faith that the bridge is strong enough to support you. Likewise, if you are following the Bible and living by G-d’s Word, you are acting on your faith that G-d’s Word is true. It’s not salvation by works… the works come because you believe, they’re a by-product of belief.

          • patp

            Why do you spell God as “G-d” as if you were Jewish?

            You DO know what Jews think about Jesus, right?

            http://www.aish.com/jw/s/48892792.html

          • Marlo Miller Ricciardi

            Nobody said that, patp. If a person truly accepts Christ as his personal savior he strives to be like him. Being in a garage doesn’t make you a car just like joining a church doesn’t make you a Christian.

          • Brett John Gray

            Faith comes not by work’s.. You will know them by their fruit’s. It is by grace we have been saved through FAITH in Jesus.. The bible also say’s “show me your faith without work’s and I will show you my faith BY my WORK’S.. If Christ is in you, you will want and strive to do the right thing..

          • Fulfilling Torah

            not salvation by works; works as evidence of salvation.

            Eph.2.8-10, For it is by grace that you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourself, it is a gift of God, not of works, lest any man should boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works that God has before ordained that we should walk in them.

            not salvation by works. Works as evidence of salvation.

            James 2.18, … shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

            Not salvation by works, Works as evidence of salvation.

          • Brett John Gray

            You will know them BY THEIR FRUIT. Keep preaching brother..

          • jeannie stanley

            Jesus told ppl ‘to sin no more’–remember the woman who was to be stoned in John 8:11–or when He healed a man and told him ‘see, you have been made well. sin no more,lest a worse thing come upon you.’ John 5:14—key words are to ‘sin no more’

          • KD Craig

            We are all sinners. No matter how hard we try to live “righteously”, we will never get it right 100% of the time. THAT is what Jesus is about. He knows that about us and loves us anyways. We aren’t going to be shut out of the pearly gates for being incapable of living a perfect life. All Jesus asks is that we love him/love God, and love our neighbor. Once you truly know Jesus, you love others in a new way. You still aren’t perfect, but you try to do right, and have compassion not only on others but yourself as well. Mainstream Christianity has misled SO many people; it’s sad. Go back to the basics and read the bible yourself (I recommend the NIV version), starting with Romans. You might be surprised about what it really says. You can find it on the bible website.

          • bungicord

            Fortunately I do in fact love all of God’s creation, including sodomites. Like Jesus I must love the sinner but hate the sin. If I didn’t love the homosexual I wouldn’t bother telling him how to save himself. The best way to show a lack of love is to become indifferent to the sinner. It is the duty of a believer in Christ to call out his neighbor, the sinner. In fact Paul gives a sinner three attempts to right himself. If He doesn’t He’s kicked out of the church. To tell a sinner that because he’s accepted Jesus he’s got a free pass to do as he likes and it’s all good, is to lie to him. in reality if a person truly accepts Jesus sacrifice at the cross, it changes his life. The fruit of his acceptance is repentance. In repentance he admits his sin and asks for forgiveness. God gladly grants it. But to continue in the practice shows the seed that fell on rocky ground. It took no root and burned up in the heat. Jesus told the prostitute you speak of, to “Go and sin no more” He didn’t say go sell yourself again and again and then come on back and I’ll save you again. As it seems this particular woman became one of the followers of Jesus and did not commit (at least that sin again) There are repercussions for continued sin If the sinner is not told about them you are responsible for his fate. If repentance is not present at death, You go into eternity with sin on your heart and God does not tolerate any sin in his presence, bad thing’s are about to happen and there is no way out. Teaching homosexuals that they were born that way is calling God a liar. He gives every person on earth a free will to chose what’s right against evil. It’s impossible for God who is perfect, to create a human with a gene that makes sin unavoidable. To say otherwise makes God fallible. Not only is the word of God (the bible) without error, science has just proven the lack of an excuse for homosexuality. If You’re going to love your neighbor show him where he’s wrong, the consequences of that sin, and how to repent through prayer. Otherwise you don’t love him.
            I’ve read nothing but the bible for over 35 years. I raised my 5 children in the word of God and guess what; they don’t tolerate evil and they call a spade a spade just as Jesus did wherever He went. We are told not to judge the world as that’s God’s job. But We are to do what we can to lead the lost to Him. We don’t accomplish that duty by lying.

          • patp

            HA! You just admitted God made homosexuals. Why would he condemn something he made? I want to see you explain that to me, bunghole.

          • Jen10

            “God’s creation, including sodomites.”
            “Teaching homosexuals that they were born that way is calling God a liar.”
            Gotta love these christfags and their contradicting logic.

          • patp

            Contradicting just like the buy-bull

            Good thing religious fanatism is about to be classified as a mental illness, so maybe bungicord will get some treatment.

            http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/05/30/leading-neuroscientist-religious-fundamentalism-may-be-a-mental-illness-that-can-be-cured/

          • me

            hmmm sounds like an alamist’s website- the “front page” section of this website has articles titled:

            “PROTECTING THE BIGOTS
            Idaho bill would allow doctors or cops to refuse service to LGBT people on religious grounds ”

            “HOLY MENAGE A TROIS
            Rep. Tim Huelskamp rails against LGBT rights: God is the ‘third person in your marriage’”

            “SPORTSMAN OF THE WEEK
            Dallas sportscaster destroys homophobic ‘concerns’ over gay NFL prospect Michael Sam”

            “ATTACKING SCIENCE EDUCATION
            S.C. creationist lawmaker blocks school evolution standards ‘to teach both sides’ ”

            sounds legit xD

          • Kerston

            Read carefully. Jesus never said anything about gays.

          • Marlo Miller Ricciardi

            His father certainly did.

          • KD Craig

            Yep, his father also told us not to wear mixed fabrics, not to eat shellfish or pork, burn incense twice a day, to forgive all debts after 7 years (i like that one), people have to be buried the same day they die, and so on and so on. I could list a whole bunch or weird things stated in the Old Testament. Have you heard of the New Testament?

          • shea

            Sigh x 1000. Learn to exegetate Scripture KD – the Moral Law is the only Law that applied to everyone; the dietary laws, ceremonial laws, etc. were strictly for for the people of Israel, and many of those laws were ONLY for the Levitical Priesthood.

          • KD Craig

            Kerston, that was my point. The only two “rules” Jesus talked about were to love God and love your neighbor. Jesus said nothing about homosexuality, but he did mention Do Not Steal. Yet the last person he forgave before dying was the thief hanging on the cross next to him, who he told “You will be in paradise with me today.” None of us are in a position to judge anyone else, regardless of their lifestyle, genetics, beliefs or appearance. We need to stop focusing on what we think is wrong about other people and try to be a little more compassionate.

          • Crystal

            ACtually, 22′You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination…Found in Leviticus 18:22. Actually I am not sure what two rules Jesus singed out but you may want to start with the Ten Commandments found in Exodus 20:2-17

            We cannot keep weighing in on the thought that “yah yah no one is perfect”. It cannot be a cop out to live our lives the way we want and repent later when we feel guilt. Yes God is forgiving, yes He is merciful but he is also just. We all reep what we sow and he will judge every man according to our works as noted in Romans 2:6. Read it its right there so you can stop guessing. No we cannot be saved by works. Salvation is a gift from God as noted in Ephesians 2:8-9. It says: “8For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; 9not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.…”. So salvation isn’t something you can earn by doing good stuff until you earn a certain amout of points. However don’t get it twisted. God still is looking at our lives and judging our works agaist the proclaimations that come from opur mouths. Point is, we all need to stop paying lip service and crusify our flesh. This means its okay to actually deny ourselves some things that we feel are good for us. They are not. If you listen to the world and thei lies that are fed to us with a silver spoon we will quickly be led astray. The world only knows that which satisfies the flesh. The only thing that is wrong is telling someone what they are doing isn’t right. If you are gay, its hard to hear that being gay is an abomination. But thats only because weve made homosexuality into this BIG thing. its no different than any other sin in Gods heart yet it does affect us more than any other sin as its a sexual sin against ones body, and God. Read your bible and if you are open God will show you Himself. But be open to correction as the truth hurts but its the only thing that will set us free. God Bless.

          • Crystal

            Just to solidify what I said, homosexuality, like fornication is a sexual sin. It is a sin against the body, yourself, and God. In 1 Corinthians 6:18 it reads:

            18Flee immorality. Every other sin that a man commits is outside the body, but the immoral man sins against his own body. 19Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and that you are not your own?…

          • Jon

            The Bible also says that slavery is OK, that you can have several wives, that women have no leadership roles in the church, and that Jews are damned for killing Jesus. Not to mention all the scientific errors and holes in it, and the fact that it was written (and edited) by men decades after the events that supposedly happened.

          • shea

            Argumentum ex silentio – try again.

          • Marlo Miller Ricciardi

            If Jesus truly lives in his heart he will :”Go, and sin no more.”

          • patp

            FUN FACT:
            Jesus never actually said that. The story of the adulterous woman didn’t exist until the 5th century; it was a later addition!

          • Brett John Gray

            That mean’s he hasn’t accepted Jesus.. Jesus makes the difference. Jesus will change you..

        • Jon

          How do you know that hell is a real place, or that the Jesus of the New Testament really existed? Because of a book written and edited by different authors centuries ago?

          • Marlo Miller Ricciardi

            Yes, that’s the book and that’s the Hell.

          • jeannie stanley

            no one has not believed that He lived except those who do not look–read the book ‘evidence for Christianity-historical evidences for the Christian faith’–the book covers both early secular and Christian writings about Christ

          • patp

            B.S. There is no evidence that Jesus existed outside the Bible. No one who wasn’t a Christian wrote anything about him during the time he supposedly lived.

          • EnidM
          • patp

            oh yeah, from a xtian website, not biased or manipulated at all

          • patp

            none of those are eyewitness accounts, so they are null

          • dentabill

            Wrong. Yu never even tried.

          • jeannie stanley

            He lived-He lives now-He will judge–i pray you find salvation-and you only have to ask Him to prove Himself to you and He will (if you are sincere)

          • patp

            Then show me the extra-biblical, eyewitness accounts written during Jesus’ lifetime that prove his existence

          • InsiderInciter

            Josephus

          • patp

            Josephus: born 37 AD
            Jesus: born 30-33 AD
            Try again.

          • patp

            Jesus: died 30-33 AD
            (my bad)

          • Person

            books in history…what proof do you have that those happened..were you alive when any of that happened…or were u alive when the people who supposedly wrote the history books about these events were alive that you could ask them for pictures…who are those people who wrote the history books? are THEY real people who would know…you might have to research their geneology and trace back to make sure, and hope no one is flawed..
            With this logic, we could attempt to disprove the existence of everything.. you will want to be careful of that. But we choose to have faith in the history books. We choose to have faith in the Bible and do research on those things and have faith that what we research is correct because NO one has the power to go back in time.

          • Person

            At the end of the day, its either that Jesus is false and what He said and the people who believe in Him are crazy, OR He is real, and what He said is true…He’s either the truth or He is not…We decide which we choose to believe and then…we deal with the consequences when this world is finally over. Hope we choose well :) Have a great day!

          • Marlo Miller Ricciardi

            We have to prove nothing. We have faith.

          • shea

            Josephus

          • Fulfilling Torah

            Flavius Josephus and Tacitus, 2 Roman historians wrote extensively about him.

            You may go to wikipedia and add this suffix /wiki/Josephus_on_Jesus
            for references.

          • patp

            None of them were even born when Jesus supposedly died. Try again.

          • shea

            Josephus, the foremost chronicler of the period did – how come you missed that tidbit of news?

          • me

            who’s the author? sounds interesting!

          • Fulfilling Torah

            There is more credible historical documentation to the life of Jesus of Nazareth than there is for Barack Obama.

          • patp

            It’s funny how you name yourself “Fulfilling Torah” when Jesus couldn’t even convince Jews (the very same people he tried to preach to) that he was their Messiah. Certainly they didn’t bother writing about him. Oh, and before you say “the Talmud mentions Jesus”, read this: http://talmud.faithweb.com/articles/jesusnarr.html

          • KentPerry

            Umm yeah, that’s why. How do you know PLATO existed or Socrates? They have even less evidence for THEIR existence

        • Brianna

          A fag teaching his filth to college students?….Well, aren’t you just a decent, loving, Christian? Hopefully you aren’t teaching your wonderful Christian hate speech to little children. That, to me, would be the bigger offense when it comes to student-teacher relationships.

          • KentPerry

            Hate speech? Thats hilarious, Spare us the goody two shoe christian reputation to live up to Pal, the fact is THEY ARE FAGGOTS plane and simple. Truth is always hate.
            to those that hate

            the truth

          • Brianna

            You are hiding behind the guise of religion to be a terrible person, which isn’t the intended purpose of the religion itself. Plain and simple.

      • pickedaname

        I don’t see how your comment is in proper context here, night. If he, too, were trying to pass off something which God calls sin as something normal and ok, then I could see this. We all know our sins and that’s just it. We know they are wrong and confess the same. This one particular sin, though, is being passed to society as something that is NOT wrong and that is what sets it far apart from the other sins in conversations such as this. Not the sin itself, but how we are presenting it.

        • anon

          Sorry, but since when does the Christian ideal get to dictate what the rest of society as a whole finds acceptable? I live in a free country, where many religious beliefs are accepted– not just your own. Kindly keep your ideas of sin to yourself, where they belong, and stop enforcing them on people who don’t believe the same as you. No one is trying to force you to be gay, however it seems you want to force everyone to be Christian.

          • Ann

            There is no one group that should have to keep their values to themselves. The problem today is that Christians are being persecuted for our believes while Gays get to do and say anything they want in this all inclusive society. That is pure bunk. If I, as a Christian, have to keep my views to myself, then every so-called wanna be gay person in America should keep it to themselves as well. I don’t go screaming up and down the street that I sleep with the “opposite” sex and I should not have to hear from men that they sleep with the “same” sex. It is not something I care to hear.

          • Cynthia Bosshart

            This is because Christians are really the only group that want to be in everyone’s business. I am not gay but I have the decency to live and let live. I want no one telling me what to do or not to do in my bedroom. Dirty minds like to know what the person next door is doing so stop worrying about it and mind your own business.

          • Sebastien

            If we are all about free rights then why cant Christians think its wrong? its not like they go knocking on Gays doors saying its wrong, it pretty much if you asked them or you go to THEY’RE churches. People complain christian are against gays. We don’t agree with it, but we don’t discriminate. You can clearly tell by the conversations that every time someone brings up an argument about this issue the Gay corner just ends up being upset and angry and blames people for judgement. This articles is a proof that Gay behavior is not natural.

          • dentabill

            Wrong, it is because Christians dont want you in their business. They dont want you dictating what is and is not normal to their children in public schools which is exactly what youve been trying to do for the last 50 years. They have every right to think however they want and live their lives and raise their children free from the warped ideologies of the leftist lgbt agenda. You do not get to dictate right and wrong for everybody. That is why you struggle so hard to present the behavior as normal or otherwise acceptable. It isnt normal. Never was, never will be.

          • Mouna

            Dentabil, so send your children to Christian schools. Public school is called public because it is not Chistian.

          • TheWarriorSongProject

            No parent of an 8th grade or younger child should have to be concerned with their kids being sexualized at that age. Do you understand that? The point is that in order for the gay community to push the idea that being gay is normal and healthy, they must continue to expose children to sexuality at younger and younger ages, so how about not every parent can afford a private school, and since public school is paid for with public money, the sexualization of children should be kept OUT until children are legally old enough to consensually have sex, or is that too common sense an approach?

          • shea

            Agreed.

          • ambistoes

            PERFECTLY said. Thank you for the common sense. I unliked George Takkai (sp?) on fb because he posted during Christmas that any parent who tells their children about Santa should tell their children about men who love each other. Uh….my child should know about his sex life? No thanks. I think I’ll let my child wait until they’re reading to at least learn about sex first.

          • RC

            Not everyone can afford to send their children to a private school. People should be able to send their children to a school and feel safe doing so without worrying about the government indoctrinating them with beliefs that do not align with those of the parents.

          • Marlo Miller Ricciardi

            Then support the Republican vouchers program.

          • KentPerry

            It is when Christians are part of the tax paying Publca. That makes it OUR business. But since you can not create children anyway,, WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU STICKING YOUR GAY CRAP IN OUR KIDS FACES IN SCHOOLS FOR HOSS!!

            TRYING TO MAKE CONVERTS?

          • shea

            That is exactly what they are doing, and trying to create a next generation that is desensitized to homosexuality and find it normal, thereby creating allies and familiars.

          • Guest

            I have never seen any gays that “just wanna be left alone” By the way, Whats stopping them from BEING left alone? It’s not like they all walk around with “I’m gay” tattooed on their foreheads. The only reason anyone would know is because Gays have this habit of insisting everyone know what kind of sexual bent they have. I mean seriously, anyone that has to identify themselves by a sexual orientation such as “Gay” people do,, there is something really disturbing about that .

            I mean WHO CARES!

            I know there are guys into midget sex but they don’t want to be identified that way. Another thing is HOW THE HELL DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE VAST MAJORITY OF GAYS WANT TO BE LEFT ALONE! Did you interview the vast majority of them? Or is this more gay logic like same sex marriage is the same as heterosexual marriage when same sex marriage is BIOLOGICALLY IMPOSSIBLE. Marriage or the French word for merge is when the male seed (DNA) has the potential to merge or (Marry) with that of their partner as one flesh. Only one type of sexual relationship has that potential possibility and that is the one legally and biologically proven as one man and one woman. Having us believe that a turd laced with some queers semen in his gay lovers colon is as respectable a receptacle as one that can bring fourth a human life and a love far more worthy of our making is ABSURD!

            It’s like Pigs telling the birds that pigs can fly and the birds will say NO you can’t and the pigs call the birds bigots and haters and make new laws that force other birds to accept the pigs as birds even changing the legal definition of “Flying” to be more inclusive of pigs but Natural Law always trumps Municipal Law and like Gays do citing some infertile couples that are still aloud to marry thinking that gives THEM a right to marry, the pigs would cite the ostrich as a bird that can’t fly so they should be able to also.

            But ya know what.. THE PIGS WILL NEVER FLY FLY BECAUSE NATURE AND NATURES GOD HAS BANNED IT! Even if all the birds are forced into accepting such an idiotic idea and have to accept them as equal, they are not equal because Natural law makes no distinction for such asinine ideas as marriage equality, or

            PIGS THAT CAN FLY

            It’s just plane

            STUPID!

          • KentPerry

            @Danny Adams, I have never seen any gays that “just wanna be left alone” By the way, Whats stopping them from BEING left alone? It’s not like they all walk around with “I’m gay” tattooed on their foreheads. The only reason anyone would know is because Gays have this habit of insisting everyone know what kind of sexual bent they have. I mean seriously, anyone that has to identify themselves by a sexual orientation such as “Gay” people do,, there is something really disturbing about that .

            I mean WHO CARES!

            I know there are guys into midget sex but they don’t want to be identified that way. Another thing is HOW THE HELL DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE VAST MAJORITY OF GAYS WANT TO BE LEFT ALONE! Did you interview the vast majority of them? Or is this more gay logic like same sex marriage is the same as heterosexual marriage when same sex marriage is BIOLOGICALLY IMPOSSIBLE. Marriage or the French word for merge is when the male seed (DNA) has the potential to merge or (Marry) with that of their partner as one flesh. Only one type of sexual relationship has that potential possibility and that is the one legally and biologically proven as one man and one woman. Having us believe that a turd laced with some queers semen in his gay lovers colon is as respectable a receptacle as one that can bring fourth a human life and a love far more worthy of our making is ABSURD!

            It’s like Pigs telling the birds that pigs can fly and the birds will say NO you can’t and the pigs call the birds bigots and haters and make new laws that force other birds to accept the pigs as birds even changing the legal definition of “Flying” to be more inclusive of pigs but Natural Law always trumps Municipal Law and like Gays do citing some infertile couples that are still aloud to marry thinking that gives THEM a right to marry, the pigs would cite the ostrich as a bird that can’t fly so they should be able to also.

            But ya know what.. THE PIGS WILL NEVER FLY FLY BECAUSE NATURE AND NATURES GOD HAS BANNED IT! Even if all the birds are forced into accepting such an idiotic idea and have to accept them as equal, they are not equal because Natural law makes no distinction for such asinine ideas as marriage equality, or

            PIGS THAT CAN FLY

            It’s just plane

            STUPID!

          • shea

            When I as a Christian am paying taxes for those schools, I will have a say in what is taught there Mouna – got it?

          • TRUTH

            dentabill, Reguardless of what you think truth be told that The Bible should be what dictates right or wrong. We are here on earth to serve God not ourselves and if what things are going on is contrary to our guide then yes it should be pointed out. If this behavior was normal then we would have been told so yet we find only the opposite. If we honestly look at the chemistry and anatomy of a person it is hard fact evidence on how things should work and go together.

          • TheWarriorSongProject

            I don’t necessarily disagree, but there must be a meeting place somewhere between what you and I just stated, because the next question is “who gets to interpret the word of God?” And there is no man alive who can claim such authority. Nor can anybody choose to impose God’s will or their interpretation of it upon another person.

          • pongwe

            The word of God does not need any private interpretation. It is clear on the topic. Everyone has a freewill to choose to obey it or disobey it. The lgbt community wants to impose their will on society by suppressing anything or anyone that opposes their lifestyle. I know of a Jamaican couple that was refused to foster children because they would not acknowledge that the gay lifestyle is right. I also know of some famous muscians who have been denied acces into certain countries because of their stand on homosexuality. Apparently in the bible God wanted to totally stamp it out, but the sinfulness of God’s people allowed it to flourish … If Christians work on ridding their own sins, soon God himself will put an end to this madness

          • TheWarriorSongProject

            Is that right? which word of God are you referring to, the word in the old testament or the word of God in the new?

          • shea

            It is clear TWSP that you are no theologian, and are ignorant as to the covenantal relationships between the Old and New Testaments, what transferred and what did not.

          • dentabill

            1. He didn’t ask you. 2. You didn’t offer an answer, you simply asserted moral authority, which invalidates your self-masturbatory attempt at intellectual superiority. Next time, maybe you should wait until you know why somebody is asking the question, rather than assume you know everything and butt in where you weren’t asked.

          • shea

            Please show me where YOU were asked to participate in this discussion? You are treating me as an adversary when I am not.

          • dentabill

            I was trying to pull you out so i could follow the conversation. If you are not my adversary then why are you hostile toward TWSP?

          • shea

            I was not aware I was. He did not seem familiar with the covenantal relationships between the old and new testaments, as demonstrated by his question about which “God”, from the old or the new. They are the same. As I have just entered into this discussion, admittedly about 3 months late, I was not sure which “side” he was on, and his comment seemd to indicate he was on the ‘left’ side, as that is similar to comments they often make. If I made a mistake both you and he have my apologies.

          • Pongwe

            True,True True and if being gay was normal humans would go the way of the dinosaurs in 1 or 2 generations. These people do not realise they are satan’s pawns in his conflict with God. We were made in God’s image and God said be fruitful and multiply and replenish the earth and he clearly made us male and female and thus set up the sexual order

          • jon

            people are not gay or straight, most of them are bi and living a lie. Every country around the world, even countries without exposure to gay culture still have people who have same sex relations…at some point in YOUR life you are going to be attracted to at least 1 person of the same sex, regardless of your religion or upbringing and it will be your Choice of how to act upon it…

          • ambistoes

            I don’t agree that people are “living a lie” because they don’t act on all of their sexual feelings, but EVERYTHING else you said was amazing and I love to hear from people who actually use their brains.

          • justme

            I agree with you about not wanting any one to know what goes on in my bed room. Sex used to be private, however the thing with gays is they are consistently telling people they are gay…who cares? You can’t have it both ways though and that is what gays seem to want. They don’t want anyone speaking negatively about what they are doing; however they want to scream from the roof tops that they are doing it. How many heterosexuals d
            o you know that are consistently saying “I am straight.”

          • Danny Adams

            Too much generalizing here. A few very vocal advocates are telling people that they are gay. The vast majority of gays just want to be left alone.

          • TRUTH

            Yet it is the few that are cuasing the uproar which ends up including the ones that are not outspoken and want to be left alone.

          • Danny Adams

            Which makes them…no different than any other activists.

          • shea

            Then those that are not ‘outspoken’ and just want to be left alone need to get their ‘compatriots’ under control.

          • shea

            I see no evidence of that.

          • Danny Adams

            There’s as much evidence as the notion of gays everywhere trying to be in everyone’s faces. It seems that way because of a few loud people with a media presence, the same way that most Christians aren’t loud evangelicals who say things like catastrophic weather being God’s punishment for sin.

          • shea

            It is not a ‘notion’ Adams, it is an observed fact.

          • Danny Adams

            This is one of those cases where we see what we most don’t want to see. You don’t want to see gay activists, so you notice them more often, as opposed to the millions who, as I said, are just wanting to live their lives (married or otherwise). I’m a Methodist but live in a Bible Belt area heavy with evangelical Southern Baptists, and so I constantly notice the most narrow-minded of fundamentalist Christians because they’re the most vocal, even though they’re deep in the minority of the Christians who live in this area.

          • shea

            Adams, gay activists and their familiars are all over the place, whether I wish to see them or not. My “seeing” them is not a measure of whether they are there or not.
            I do not deny that there are those homosexuals who are less vocal and demonstrative than others, I merely stated that I saw no evidence of your claim that the ‘loud’ ones are in the minority.

          • Danny Adams

            That may all depend on how many you or I think are out there. If you assume that the homosexual population is small, then the loud ones wouldn’t be a minority; if it’s larger, then statistically the loud ones would be in the minority, since it’s typically the same people over and over again who make the noise.

          • shea

            This is true, but beings the population of homosexuals to heterosexuals IS small ( the CDC, Dept of Vital Statistics, NIH ) all concede that homosexuals comprise no more than 4% of the population, and that is a liberal estimate adjusting for error ( means 4% is probably high ).

          • Danny Adams

            I’m thinking numbers rather than percentage. If 4% is accurate that means 1.2 million people in the U.S. are homosexual, which is still a fairly substantial number compared to those who are loud advocates of homosexuality.

          • shea

            “I’m a Methodist but live in a Bible Belt area heavy with evangelical Southern Baptists”
            Then you and I must be close to one another, as you just described where I live as well. Perhaps our argument in this regard is merely semantics as to what a Christian is.

          • shea

            And if true, where is your activism against your loud-mouthed compatriots?

          • Danny Adams

            Where are the Christians who are activists against the most loud-mouthed of yours? Doing the same things. Moving quietly, talking to people face to face instead of in front of a news camera, and so on. They’re all around if you’ll look, but if you don’t believe they exist then nothing I point to will help.

          • shea

            Invalid comparison, as no one here, especially me, claimed that only a small segment of Christians are vocal and outspoken. You DID claim that about homos.

          • Danny Adams

            And your argument is a fallacy: Just because you didn’t claim it doesn’t mean it isn’t true; your not claiming it doesn’t make it an invalid comparison.

          • shea

            Really? What fallacy is that, name it please – you may consult Copi and Cohen if you cannot immediately name it.

          • Danny Adams

            A variation of the fallacy of many questions.

          • shea

            Incorrect. Try again.

          • Danny Adams

            I said a variant, not the strict definition. A declarative, to be precise, of which I gave the definition already. But by your logic, if my argument was invalid because I made an analogy you thought invalid since I was the only one making it, then your “observable fact” comment is likewise invalid because I have observed differently and don’t agree with yours – though I would consider that invalid as well.

          • shea

            Adams this is pointless. You made the statement that the vocal homosexuals comprise a small percentage of all homosexuals, and I said I saw no evidence of this. You made the claim, the burden of proof is on you. You have yet to provide this proof except through a clumsy attempt at analogy.

          • Danny Adams

            Except that you initially made the claim that most of them were vocal, but provided no proof aside from “observable fact”.

          • shea

            Adams you made the claim long before I ever entered this discussion.

          • Danny Adams

            Sorry, then had you mixed up with someone else. I also had a number wrong above: If 4% of the population is homosexual, that means that there are 12 million homosexuals in the United States, or 280 million across the planet. The “observable fact” here is that as far as I can see, it’s statistically unlikely that there aren’t 280 million people out there getting in everyone’s face about it. I’m willing to look at numbers otherwise.

          • shea

            Well as we are discussing the US, lets go back to 12 million. 12 million, spread across 3.8 million square miles of the US equals about 3 per sq mile. It is not outside the bounds of probability that there are 2 homos per square mile that are vocal about it, much less three.

          • Danny Adams

            Were we discussing solely the U.S.? Homosexuality and its advocates certainly aren’t confined to the U.S. – or Australia or Scandanavia for that matter, per the original article that spurred all of this.

          • Danny Adams

            (Or in other words, your side didn’t make your point based on the analogy that I made, therefore my analogy is invalid since you don’t accept it.)

          • shea

            When your response is predicated upon that assumption, yes it does.

          • Danny Adams

            I already explained my assumption as I was making the analogy. The analogy would be invalid in a vacuum, not when I correlate it to the general behavior observed in these comments. You only find it invalid because you apparently agree with the people I’m drawing an analogy from.

          • George

            These genetic studies mean nothing. I have been gay my entire life…”attraction” to the same gender even before I knew what sex was. If you believe as I do that homosexual spirits can enter a body (at any age), and the Bible backs up that a spirit can enter a child, then the twin studies mean nothing; just means a spirit didn’t enter one of the twins. Nobody knows more about homosexuals than homosexuals. And none of us CHOSE it. So I ask the heterosexuals, when was it that you woke up and decided to be straight? Well, we didn’t wake up one day and decided to be gay either.

          • shea

            Everyone is born str8, fool. Of course heteros don’t “decide” to be str8, we are all born str8, then some DECIDE to do something different. And a spirit, if such a thing even exists, would not be male or female – being male or female is STRICTLY a function of corporeal biology. Moron.

            And you were NOT sexually attracted to the same gender all your life. No one is sexually attracted to anything before puberty; that’s what puberty is the activation of the sexual subroutine.

            And your statement that “no one know more about homosexuals except homosexuals” is disingenuous. You perverts stand to GAIN from the claim you were born that wahy – your entire quest for “rights” is predicated upon this one foundation, and all your claims would come crumbling down if you admitted it is a choice, as no one in our system of govt gets “rights” for behaviors they choose to engaged in as they could opt out of those behaviors, so you homos are going to SAY you were born that way whether you were or not. THATS why we don’t ask homos about it, same reason we don’t ask Monsanto of their GMO’s are safe, because they have a VESTED INTEREST if say they are safe, whether they are or not. Go try your trickerey elsewhere.

          • george

            I’d like to point this out also. I know some “identical” twins. Although they look similar, they are definitely not “identical.” When one is right handed, the other is usually left handed. So where is the “identical genes”?

          • shea

            The only difference is if they part their hair different, one takes better care of himself, one brushes his teeth more, they dress different, through experiences one walks or talks different, develop different tastes for foods, TV shows, music. left handed or right handed, – none of these things are genetic traits, they are LEARNED traits and behaviors after birth.

            True mono-zygotic twins have the EXACT same DNA, this is not up for dispute and is basic biology and genetics 101. If they are from the same egg that split, AND they were nurtured in vitro in the same sack and placenta, then they are identical twins, and everything genetic about them is exactly duplicated.

            Many twins that the parents were told were identical have turned out not to be, mainly because it was discovered later that they did not share the same placenta or sack – this is a mistake in what the doctors told the parents, and does not prove mono-zygotic twins do not have the same DNA. you perverts will try anything to rationalize your behavior, even claiming that well known scientific facts about the genetics if mono-zygotic twins is wrong, and what is most entertaining is that you don’t know squat about the subject to start with.

          • ambistoes

            I don’t know, I’ve met a lot of gay people who announce it and have a persecution complex. A very flamboyant gay man in Las Vegas walked into a store I was working at, “That man outside was staring at me!!!” I asked, “Why would he do that?” The man replied, “Because I’m GAY !!!” Uh….Well, if you’re walking about like you want attention, you do want to be noticed, and if you’re walking oddly, then you probably WANT the public to surmise that you are gay.

          • God owns me

            They don’t keep it to their bedroom! That is the point. Now our children see their perversion.

          • KentPerry

            Not true at all and its MORE BS the response you hear from Christians, is NOT one where THEY are telling you what to do but what NOT to do. The very REASON we even know WHO to say this to is because GAYS believe prancing around naked in a parade down a street acting out vulgar sexual acts in mime, is something to be proud of. So yes,, we Christians having a higher standard of public behavior and what is or isn’t something we are proud of has more to do with who we are and NOT what kind of sexual bent we are into.

          • shea

            But homosexuals do not keep their perversions in their ‘bedrooms’ Bosshart, and therein lies the fallacy of your argument.

          • Brianna

            Christians are being persecuted? Interesting choice of words considering the way that gay people in our society are treated by people who are “filled with God’s love.” Lol

          • Bman

            Oh shut up Brianna, we’re tired of hearing the BS about how gays are treated. It’s really annoying how gays try to play the constant victim

          • KentPerry

            Really? HOW are they treated? I mean we don’t what your sexual bent is UNTIL YOU INSIST ON TELLING EVERYONE.

            The problem is, NO ONE WAS ASKING!

          • Bman

            Agree with Ann completely

          • Michael Moerland

            There is only one group that is trying to make their values into law to mandate what others can and cannot do. That is the Christian Right. The LGBT community is trying to get laws to allow them to have equal opportunities outlined in the Constitution. BTW, the Constitution is not a religious document.

          • dentabill

            Wrongo! The laws already dictate equality, but the left has been chasing a special set of laws that make for special circumstances and allowances for gays that others do not get. Hate crimes? Hate speech? Whats next, hate thought? You need desperately to get society to think being gay isnt a mental deficiency in order to legitimize your ridiculous agenda. That nis why you try so hard to link it to biology. So far, no dice.

          • InsiderInciter

            I have to agree here. The laws on the surface look benign, but the reality is gays already have equality. (Legally, though perhaps not equal acceptance.) What the new laws do is allow them to file suits against against anyone who disagrees with their desire to marry etc.

            For example the church and reception centers in New England who were sued for deciding not to hire themselves out for a gay wedding. A photographer as well. This is now “discrimination” and punishable by law.

            These laws will allow the gay agenda to infringe on the freedom of conscience of others, ( religious or not) and punish them if they do not agree with their ideas of what is right and wrong. In other words, the are not looking for equality before the law, they are looking for equal acceptance in the hearts and minds of this culture, and are attempting to alter school curriculums and laws and whatever else they can get to.

            It reminds me of a bad divorce, where one spouse goes to great lengths to punish the other one, because they can’t get them to love them any more. They don’t want equality, I think they want to be loved, and while some are good at loving the person and not the practice, most average americans cannot make that stretch.

            In the meantime Religious groups are having to fight for the freedom of conscience rights for their members, and are slowly losing.

          • Perriwinkle

            The homosexuals want to have their agenda shoved down the throats of every person on earth as normal. It is NOT normal and never will be normal. Your reasoning lacks, well, reason. This country was founded on Christian principles from the Bible. How else would you know right from wrong without a moral compass? If you think it is okay to murder someone because YOU say it is a “behavior” all the rest of us must tolerate you know that would be WRONG. Same thing with homosexuality. Homosexuality is a sin and does not get a “pass” because our all of a sudden politically correct country says so.

          • Danny Adams

            “This country was founded on Christian principles from the Bible.” This doesn’t sync with what the Founding Fathers actually wrote. James Madison, father of the Constitution, went so far as to write in 1822 that the farther religion and government were, the purer they both became.

          • Fulfilling Torah

            Can you please enumerate the Constitutional opportunities to which sodomites do not have equal access.

            Please cite Article and Section.

          • GWS

            Totally disagree. The LGBT wants to change the laws that already treat people equally, they want SPECIAL rights.

          • TRUTH

            exactly its not, Gods Law and authority will always trumph mans law. It is when we try to do the oipposite that things start going south and it is very evident in our counrty now!!

          • Michael Moerland

            There are loads of gods out there. I guess it only works as long as it is YOUR god’s law.

          • Marlo Miller Ricciardi

            There is only one God with many names.

          • shea

            Really? The LGBT is not trying to tell Christians what they can and cannot do??? Perhaps you have not been keeping up with current events.

          • Mouna

            Ann, I think saying the Christians are being persecuted nowadays is a strong word. Are they being beaten, abused, stoned, killed? The Christians have also committed the “gay sins” as you say it so why throw stones when your house is made of glass. The reason Christians do not scream their Christianity is because they have been accepted in the open by the majority of society (remember when they were really persecuted and fed to wild animals and burned ) and the reason the Gays scream their “Gayness” is beoause they have only been accepted by the minority of society. It is only normal and natural to scream to be accepted in the world one lives in , to BE.

          • KentPerry

            Thats because their sexual bent makes most of the population sick to their stomachs for one, for two, IT’S NONE OF OUR BUSINESS SO PLEASE QUIT SEEKING OUR APPROVAL THEN BECAUSE YOU WILL NEVER HAVE IT

          • Marlo Miller Ricciardi

            Actually, 38 Christian churches were burned this week by Obama’s Muslim Brotherhood. They also torched a Christian orphanage.

          • BeNice

            Obama’s Muslim Brotherhood?? Why is the Christian right wing such a bunch of bigots and haters? Sure doesn’t sound very Christian to me.

          • Marlo Miller Ricciardi

            Obama is a Muslim, fact. He gave weapons to the Muslim Brotherhood to overthrow Mubarak, fact. Their new president tried to persecute the Christians and install Sharia law, fact. The military with the backing of tthe moderate intelligent people took control from Morsi, fact. The Muslim brotherhood that Obama has given our weapons to are rioting against the military and burning Christian churches and huntting down and murdering Christians, including burning an orphanage, fact. So, Obama’s Muslim Brotherhood is burning churches and murdering Christians. Obama cut off aid to the military last week.thinking that would help the radical Muslim Brotherhood but Saudi stepped in and gave tthe military10 times what he withdrew. Fact. BeNice, could you really not connect the dots? Stevie Wonder could see that. Nobody hating on anybody, just stating facts.

          • Tanya

            This isn’t an equal playing field. When your children are taken away from you because of your identity, OR you are threatened in the street because of your identity AND you fear holding your partner’s hand in public AND you think twice before kissing your partner goodbye on the doorstep AND you don’t attend after work socials because of fear about introducing your partner to work colleagues because of prejudice at work – then you can talk about not ‘screaming up and down the street about who you sleep with’. Visibility and the desire for it is a protest against repression. And for your information being gay or bisexual is, just like being straight, not about who you sleep with. It’s about who you are in your bones and breathe, it’s about your identity, being authentic in the world; it is about knowing who you are and being clear in yourself.

          • Guest

            It is about perversion that is against the laws of nature.

            Perhaps this image will clarify it for you:

          • shea

            Tanya, call me silly, but if my lifestyle caused me all these things you bemoan, I would waste no time in changing my lifestyle, instead of trying to change everyone else’s reaction to it.

          • EnidM

            So if I believe it is okay to come in with a gun and take your stuff that is okay and you will be okay with this because you will not push your beliefs on me that it is wrong for me to do this correct. Maybe I am in a religion that believe that everyone should have the same amount of everything I know you have 2 large TV’s and someone down the street only has a small one so I go into your house to get the large TV to give to the person down the street. You are fine with that correct? I hate to tell you but our country is based on Christianity thus we have the ten commandments in our capital and we follow the commandments in many of our laws can not steal, kill, lie (in court) where do you think that all comes from?

          • Michael Moerland

            How is someone else being gay equal to someone breaking into your house. Exceedingly stupid analogy. What threat do the gays pose you?

          • KentPerry

            You can’t be serious. Ill tell you what threat, for one the blood donor ban. Gays don’t particularly like when someone says their sexual bent poses no threat yet are banned from every blood donor drive in all fifty states. That LIFE SAVING kind of discrimination. has saved hundreds of thousands of lives by not tainting the blood supply with Gay Blood which just happens to have a 1 in 5 chance of still having the HIV/AIDS Virus and an even greater chances for MRSA according to the CDC. and THAT is just scratching the surface, I don’t want your influence in our schools amongst OUR children.

          • Michael Moerland

            Another non existent worry. All blood donated is tested so you don’t have to worry about that. If that is the best you can do it is pretty pathetic. BTW I am not gay, 24 years married with 2 kids.

          • KentPerry

            Sorry Hoss you listen to too many queers TRY READING THE FACTS! But in in statement on its official website, the agency explains that it blocks all men who have had sex with men
            since from donating blood since 1977 because the population is an increased risk for HIV, hepatitis B and certain other infections that can be transmitted by blood transfusion.

            HIV prevalence in the men who have sex with men community since 1977 is 60 times higher than the general population in the U.S., 800 times higher than first time blood donors and 8000 times higher than repeat blood donors, the FDA
            noted. When accounting for the fact that 75 percent of HIV-infected men know that they have the infection and would be excluded from donating for that reason, a man who has had sex with a man is still 200 times more likely than first time blood donors to have HIV and 2,000 times more likely than repeat blood donors, according to the FDA.

            In addition, hepatitis B is five to six times more prevalent and hepatitis C is twice as common in men who have sex with men than in the regular population. Even while blood is screened before it is given to patients, it still isn’t foolproof. In the last decade, the American Red Cross estimated at least half a dozen people have been infected by HIV through donor blood.

            “There is a thing called the window period,” “It’s a window period of 11 days where you may test negative, but your blood may be infectious and you can transmit HIV.”

            As I said,, YOU gay people and even you closeted gays pretending to be straight and married to woman, need to quit pushing your filthy agenda.

            Quote:
            ” BTW I am not gay, 24 years married with 2 kids”

            I didn’t ask and I don’t believe you

          • shea

            Testing is not foolproof Moerland, hence the continued ban on MSM giving blood. 1 in 5 homosexuals is infected with a deadly disease, one that was completely avoidable except for those who value their sexual perversions and proclivities more than their lives. This speaks volumes about the mindset of homosexuals, and to their mental stability.

          • Marlo Miller Ricciardi

            They are indoctrinating our children about their aberrant behavior and representing it as normal and it is not normal. Polygamy is not normal either and there are probably more polygamists than married gays but they don’t try to ram it down our throats. They just want to be left alone and I for one am happy to leave them alone.

          • shea

            Then perhaps this demonstration of the inequality of two sets will clarify it for you:

            Third grade lesson on the inequality of two sets:

            ( M, M ) is not equal to (M,F)

          • shea

            As society becomes more morally depraved and permits open atrocities like homosexual unions to not only flourish but to become widespread and bring society down into the gutter, God WILL turn those societies over to calamity and let them suffer the natural consequences. This effects all of us
            and holds the innocent hostage to the deeds of the morally depraved minority.

            That means all of us will suffer progressively – right now its just financial and economical. The one thing we have learned is YOU CAN NOT BUCK NATURE. Trying it with medicines and tools (contraceptives etc. ) only grants a false sense of
            security and advances more depravity and consequences. There will be more STDs, more pregnancies, more abortions, more public indecency. Life becomes cheaper -and murder and lawlessness always escalates in these conditions. The more we let the creeping crud of libertine perversion to reshape our society the more all of us will suffer and the more chaos and suffering will abound.

            It eventually is paid in by the currency of blood.

          • H

            You understand that the principles of not stealing, killing, lying, etc. are not morally good because a mystical being wrote it down on a slab of rock for us to see right?

            They’re morally good because the culture we live in deems it to be socially beneficial and has decided that they are the values upon which we live.

          • KentPerry

            Who deem, it beneficial? YOU? Who has the authority to say if not one of authority HIGHER than mere man and his penchant to change the goal posts of what is moral and not moral. Don’t even talk to me about the entire subject if all you are going to do is patronize people, pissing off the very ears you are trying to persuade by using phrases like “Mystical Being” wrote on a slab of rock because it really comes off like you are mocking moses,. so if you wanna hate on him, THEN HAVE AT IT HOSS, ILL HATE ON YOU

          • Marlo Miller Ricciardi

            And society as a whole likes a union of man and woman to form a family and procreate.

          • Weezer

            It is not the idea of forcing you to be a Christian. It is the idea that we can’t voice our belief that homosexuality is a choice and that we believe it is not in God’s design for mankind. We are immediately bashed for not accepting homosexuality because of what we believe. Regardless of what you think, the choice of this lifestyle will eventually catch up with you because your body will reject it over a period of time just as other things we try to do to our bodies that are not natural. I know not one but several people that have immune diseases or STD’s and have died too young. It is very difficult to criticize people who love each other so much. But to speak truth in my opinion is the greatest love you can give someone. Love with all your heart but speak truth.

          • God owns me

            Your conscience talks to you, but you ignore it. No excuses.

          • TRUTH

            Anon, Our country was founded around the Christian ideal. It is our current society that has lost that foundation and one in which would promote a stronger country as a whole. If we dont have a possitive foundation, our country will eventually fail and as sad as it is we are seeing that happen year after year. We need leaders to step up that have moral values and get this country back on the right track.

          • KentPerry

            Hey Pal,, Ill GLADLY not push my religion on you and let you sodomites burn in hell, but ONLY when YOU stop shoving your sick depraved sexual bent out in our faces and our kids faces in our schools, GOT IT! By the way, no one is forcing YOU to believe in anyones religion either. Until someone has a gun to your thick skull, what you think it “seems” like, is YOUR problem

        • Bman

          Pickedaname is right. No one is casting stones here. Just trying to tell the truth about homosexuality as being what it is, a sin.

        • RoboAus

          God doesn’t exist. Get real. It is a fantasy

      • Schoodle

        Jesus was referring to the men wanting to stone her, not that fact that they called her actions adulterous and wrong. Therefore, if one is pointing out the a specified behavior is sin as stipulated in the Bible it is not casting a stone. Learn proper exegesis before attempting to use Scripture to condemn another. By your own application, you were casting stones at bungicord. Your action is self-referentially inconsistent.

        • Kerston

          Judge not lest ye be judged.

          • SMH-DraggingMyHeels

            Sorry, Kerston that is* scripture, but it is definitely one of those things where it has been taken out of context. It’s now a really popular expression, mostly used to suppress Christians from calling out sin or speaking any truths. ;)
            Human beings never judging is not biblical. In fact,

            according to Scripture those who do not judge are more likely to

            be led astray by false doctrines and are less effective witnesses

            for Christ. The dictionary defines the act of judging as “to form an opinion
            about through careful weighing of evidence and testing of premises.”
            Simply stated, judging is simply the process of evaluation that
            people naturally employ everyday to make determinations of what
            is true.
            We are supposed to first study God’s word and study – First judge ourselves, so that we are able to see and help others, without being hypocrites. Everyone gets this messed up. Even Christians!
            This is why I really think people should just read the Four Gospels, not just a few scriptures. When read as a whole there is much truth and wisdom there, even if you are not a self ascribed Christian! ;)

          • Marlo Miller Ricciardi

            I do not mind being judged. My heart is pure, I am a Christian, and haven’t sinned in a long time. I also help people all I can because of the Holy Spirit of God that lives in my heart.

          • rg

            Haven’t sinned in a long time. LOL….LIES!

          • Fulfilling Torah

            So, you have inside knowledge of her duplicitous speech?

            Put up or shut up. Tell us what first-hand knowledge you have of Marlo’s misrepresentation of the fact she stated.

            If you haven’t got any, stop your false accusations. The biblical sentence for providing a false witness is to receive the treatment you wanted her to receive.

            Of course, you’ve already received it from me – I will never believe anything you post.

          • KentPerry

            hey, to some people, a couple days, IS a long time

          • Marlo Miller Ricciardi

            A couple of days would be a good start for some people. I am a little old lady and I did lots of sinful things when I was younger but now I really don’t think I do. I have a 9 yr old living with me who isn’t even related and is not “fostered” so I don’t do it for a check. He used to come “check on me” and take out the garbage and shovel snow for me and one day last year he just refused to go home so they brought his clothes. He is a blessing as I try to be to him.

          • Marlo Miller Ricciardi

            Name one sin I have committed in the last year.

          • RC

            Is this a joke?

          • Marlo Miller Ricciardi

            No. I did it all when I was young but I grew up.

          • RC

            You really believe that you haven’t sinned in a long time?

          • Marlo Miller Ricciardi

            I can’t think of any sinning I have done lately.

          • RC

            Do you go to church? If you do, tell your pastor that you haven’t sinned in a while, and please tell me his response. Yes, I am seriously asking you to do this. I would like to know what he says.

          • RC

            I still can’t believe you can say this with a straight face. You are either playing a joke on us or you have an incredibly new follower. NO ONE is sinless. NO ONE! You may think you’re not sinning but you are continuously committing sin after sin whether you know it or not.

          • KentPerry

            and the rest of that verse is?? THATS RIGHT, but Judge in RIGHTEOUS JUDGMENT. We Can Judge queers and we are to rebuke them when they are recalcitrant over repentance.

          • shea

            Sigh x 1000. We are not to Judge: Matthew 7:1, another cherry-picked verse by lay Christians and non-Christians, “Judge not lest ye be Judged…”.

            If you take this verse BY ITSELF ( cherrypicking), and ignore the remaining verses, and the rest of Scripture, yeah you might get that idea. But one does not interpret Scripture
            by taking one verse out of context. You interpret any ancient text by applying a correct hermeneutic, and taking the verse IN CONTEXT with the surrounding passages and against the totality of Scripture.

            The remaining verses go on to explain what Matt 7:1 means – and actually tells us HOW to Judge.

            Matt 7:1-6 refers to HYPOCRITICAL judgment; do not judge someone for the SAME SIN that you are committing, ie, don’t judge your neighbor for stealing office supplies from work when you regularly steal yourself in a different manner. In Matthew 7:3 Jesus mocks someone who struggles with great sin but takes it upon himself to “fix” another person who
            commits a less serious similar sin. “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?” See how “sawdust” and “plank are connected, similar? ( wood ).

            Basically Jesus said that those who commit and struggle with
            worse sins ought not to “nit pick” those with lesser, similar struggles. It is NOT a blanket condemnation of Judging,
            lest why do other Scriptures tell us TO Judge, like Jesus said in John 7:24, “judge with a righteous Judgment”?

            Scripture does tell us that we cannot discern ( judge ) the hearts of men, but that we can ( and must ) discern and judge what men do and say and their actions, but we are in no position to judge their hearts. THIS is where most people go off the rails as to ‘judging’.

            Many Christians, lay Christians and mostly non-Christians, in an attempt to legitimize their behaviors and actions, seem to gravitate to a device known as Eisegesis when interpreting Scripture. Eisegesis is the process of interpreting
            a text or portion of a text in such a way that it introduces one’s own presuppositions, agendas, beliefs, and/or biases into and onto the text. The act is often used to “prove” a pre-held point of concern to the reader and to provide him or her with ‘confirmation bias’ in accordance with his or her pre-held beliefs or agenda.

            As your comments clearly shows, you practice this fallacious device, and do not apply a correct hermeneutic ( Historicism, hermeneutical Historicism not eschatological
            Historicism ) in the exegesis ( vs the fallacious eisegesis ) of Scripture. Stop twisting the Word of God to match your own opinions and beliefs.

      • Marlo Miller Ricciardi

        I can honestly say I don’t sin anymore. I did when I was younger but I grew up insead of trying to get other people to accept my sins.

        • anon

          Homosexuality is not a sin in ALL religions. It seems that many Christians like to think that this is not a free country, where we are able to practice any religion, so long as we are not harming another person.

          And no, just because you don’t like the idea of homosexuality, does not mean it is harming you. I find the color yellow offensive, but it does not cause me harm if my neighbor wears it. I can’t gather a group of fellow yellow-hating people and outlaw the color yellow just because I don’t like it, and it’s against my preference.

          No one is trying to make you gay, or change your religion. I respect your beliefs, but I do not believe them myself. Please respect the beliefs of others, even if you do not believe them yourself. That is what this country was founded on. Freedom from persecution for religious differences.

          • Marlo Miller Ricciardi

            Are you calling homosexuality a religion? Hmmm I guess it could be in the way the now disproved “global warning” was a religion, a liberal who tried to manipulate the meterorological data to make billions for him and his friends. Who finances the propaganda for homosexuality? Who stands to benefit by the total demise of morals in the US? George Soros? Whoever controls Obama?

        • EnidM

          I can not really believe, Marlo, that you do not sin anymore. I think we all do sins everyday. The closer we are to God the more we see all of our sins. Example do you ever over eat, gluttony. That is a sin. Do you only watch holy and pleasing shows? Do you ever show anger to someone we all have feelings of anger but if we yell and get out of control then we are sinning. Are you always kind to everyone and never say any unkind words about others? http://www.madisondiocese.org/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=spAPiUO_Yck%3D&tabid=1326&mid=5087

        • 1Tim1:15

          Marlo, if you are not a christian I can understand your statement, but if you are I will let the word speak for itself

          1Jn 1:8 If we SAY that we HAVE no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. (Emphasis added to show the action , and the present tense of the verse)

          Seems according to the bible, that one who SAYS they have no sin, is deceived.

          • Marlo Miller Ricciardi

            I am without sin because I was forgiven of my sin and am now old and I honestly think I do the very best I can for God and others.

      • dentabill

        He said that regarding the putting to death of a woman for her supposed sins by society, not because somebody pointed at her and said “that behavior is sinful”. But way to try to warp the context of Christ to suit your agenda, fraud. When was the last time you even touched a bible? One is certainly NOT just as bad as the other…

      • Diana

        Jesus probably was gay too. I ain’t no Jesus freak…ain’t nobody leading me nowhere.

      • Bakari Jonathan Prigg

        DISCLAIMER: I’M NOT TALKING ABOUT YOU I’M JUST TALKING IN GENERAL………well i agree with what you are saying. it is also a sin to judge others especially just because of sexual preferences. however people who quickly respond with the whole “who are you to judge” are forgetting that homosexuality–according to Christians–is in fact a sin. And I’m not saying that judging a person is not a sin either because that too is a sin. And i think when people are saying stuff like “being gay is a sin” aren’t really judging. they’re just stating the obvious. Just like if I say “smoking is a unhealthy” I’m not condemning you because you smoke. I’m just stating the obvious. Now when people start being mean and saying stuff like “gays should be thrown in the deepest ocean and should be slaughtered by bears and should melt in a volcano” THAT’S when it becomes a problem. But, like i said, if im just saying that homosexuality is wrong, i’m not exactly judging anybody. And like what Bungicord said “dont be afraid to call a sin a sin…
        list of various sins: judging, condemning, lying, stealing, discrimination sexual perversions, fornication, disrespect, disobeying authority, etc.
        notice how i said that both Sexual perversions AND judging are sins.

      • God owns me

        You are incorrect, sexual sin is different:
        1 Corinthians 6:18

        Amplified Bible (AMP)
        18 Shun immorality and all sexual looseness [flee from impurity in thought, word, or deed]. Any other sin which a man commits is one OUTSIDE the body, but he who commits sexual immorality SINS AGAINST HIS OWN BODY.
        It does something to you own soul to become one with another soul. After many “sharing” experiences, you loose your original heart felt identity. If you don’t understand this, pursue to find the answer you will understand. Not condemning, just correcting.

      • RC

        Your response doesn’t make any sense. By your logic, we should then allow all forms of sin? What are you trying to say?

      • shea

        NOWHERE
        does Scripture say that you have to be perfect in order to point out the sin of
        another, or rebuke them for it. But there ARE scores of passages where we are
        TOLD to do so. And please, before you try to use John 8:7 again, “ he among you who is without sin, let him cast the
        first stone”, I invite you to think this through; if that is what Jesus was
        really saying, and IF He was talking about ANY sin, then you must be saying that all courts,
        crimes, and punishments should not be in existence, because if everyone is a
        sinner, none would be capable of judging another and imposing punishment; we
        would have no laws, no courts, and certainly no punishments because only
        someone “without sin” could bring an accusation or enact punishment, a patently
        ridiculous and absurd idea. The entire
        NT and most of the Old Testament, like the entire book of Leviticus, would be
        wrong, and Jesus would also be contradicting God ( for it was God who gave the
        Law and the Punishments and instructed Israel to follow them and punish those
        who broke the law ). So let’s discover
        what this verse REALLY means ( remember, one does not interpret Scripture by taking
        one verse out of context ).

        To understand this scene, one must be familiar with Jewish Law at the
        time. Under the Jewish-Meshnaic law, a court
        of at least 23 judges would have to be satisfied, to a legal certainty, that
        the capital offense had been committed before the court could impose a death
        sentence. Since the testimony of two eye-witnesses was required, and the
        witnesses were subjected to vetting and detailed interrogation by the court,
        there was rarely an instance when the evidence met the prescribed legal
        standard, exactly why Jesus intervened in this case; she had not been afforded
        due process under the Law. [1] There
        were no witnesses, [2] the Sanhedrin of 23 judges had not been convened, [3] The
        witnesses ( if any had been present ) had not been vetted, [4] her lover was
        not also brought to be stoned. In short, Jesus came upon a lynching;
        this woman was ACCUSED of being caught in the act of adultery, as was her
        lover, but the Law had not been followed that proved she did this and
        which would allow her execution, and since the Law was not followed, only “he
        who is without Sin”, Jesus himself, could stone her in the absence of due
        process. Beings no one there was without sin, and no evidence, no witness, and
        no Judges ( 23 at a minimum ) were present, just a mob, Jesus let her go.

        One will also note that this is whole
        scenario is limited to a person being subjected to capital punishment without
        due process, and has nothing to do with pointing out or rebuking the sin of
        another.

        Many
        Christians, lay Christians and mostly non-Christians, in an attempt to
        legitimize their behaviors and actions, seem to gravitate to a device known as
        Eisegesis when interpreting Scripture. Eisegesis is the process of interpreting
        a text or portion of a text in such a way that it introduces one’s own
        presuppositions, agendas, beliefs, and/or biases into and onto the text. The
        act is often used to “prove” a pre-held point of concern to the
        reader and to provide him or her with ‘confirmation bias’ in accordance with
        his or her pre-held beliefs or agenda.

        As your comments clearly shows, you practice this fallacious device, and do not
        apply a correct hermeneutic ( Historicism, hermeneutical Historicism not eschatological
        Historicism ) in the exegesis ( vs the fallacious eisegesis ) of Scripture. Stop
        twisting the Word of God to match your own opinions and beliefs.

    • patp

      Then why does God allow sin to exist? Wouldn’t that make him a sinner by your logic?

      • Marlo Miller Ricciardi

        No, sins are temptations of the devil fighting for your soul. God gave you the right to choose which path to take on every issue.

        • nonny

          So if God gave me the right to choose… why do Christians want to take away that God-given right by trying to enforce their ideals on others?

          If we are truly free to choose, and God has given us that right, then let us choose. It is not up to you to dictate the free will of others. If God will judge us, then let God do the judging.

      • EnidM

        Sin exist because God gave us a free will. We can either except God,which is truth and love or we can except the devil, which is lies and hate. Forced love is not real love and God wants us to love Him he does not want to force us to love him so he allows us to sin. Just like we allow our children to do certain things to learn to grow responsibly. If we always try to make them be perfect and not let them make mistakes then they will never mature. Does that mean we had to make the same mistakes as our children. A doctor can care for someone who has pneumonia but he does not have to have it to help cure it does he. Sin is the lack of God just like darkness is the lack of light.

    • Brianna

      It also says in the Bible not to judge others, Christ himself said “let he who is without sin cast the first stone.” I’m pretty sure that it says no one can judge others but God, and that you are to love people in spite of their sins….of course, we do just cherry pick the parts of the Bible that are convenient for us to focus on, so I suppose we should just ignore all the positive ones about love and caring.

      • shea

        “It also says in the Bible not to judge others” – no, it does not, unless you “cherrypick” the verse and ignore the remaining verses, the original Greek, and the fact that Jesus was speaking ONLY to the Pharisees and not the general public.

        Mathew 7:1 – Judge not lest ye be judged

        Like John 8:7, this is probable one of the most misunderstood and
        cherry-picked verses in the bible and is frequently used by those to counter others pointing out their sin, implying that we are not to judge other people. NOTHING could be further from the truth.

        If you take this verse BY ITSELF, and ignore the remaining verses,
        and the rest of Scripture, yeah you might get that idea. But one does not interpret Scripture by taking one verse out of context. The remaining verses go on to explain what Matt 7:1 means – and actually tells us HOW to Judge. Matt 7:1-6 refers to HYPOCRITICAL judgment; do not judge someone for the SAME SIN that you are committing, ie, don’t judge your neighbor for stealing office
        supplies from work when you regularly steal yourself in a different manner.

        In Matthew 7:3 Jesus mocks the Pharisees ( who were corrupt ) who
        struggle with great sin but takes it upon themselves to “fix” or
        “judge” another person who commits a less serious “similar”
        sin. “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?” See how plank and sawdust are similar, they are both WOOD. THIS is what tells us that Matt 7:1-6 means ‘do not Judge others FOR THE SAME SIN you are committing”. Basically Jesus said that those in ecclesiastical authority over others who commit and struggle with worse sins ought not to “nit pick” those with lesser, similar struggles. It is NOT a blanket condemnation of Judging, lest why do other Scriptures tell us TOJudge, like Jesus said in John 7:24, “judge with a righteous Judgment”?

        The metaphor of the plank and the sawdust ( beam or splinter ) is
        an analogy of greater and lesser sins, a side note to those who also believe that all sins are equal – this belief simply is not Scriptural, Scripturerepeatedly defines greater and lesser degrees of sin. But I digress…

        Scripture does tell us that we cannot discern ( judge ) the hearts
        of men, but that we can ( and must ) discern and judge what men do and say and their actions, but we are in no position to judge their hearts. THIS is where most people go off the rails as to ‘judging’.

        Also, most people mistakenly believe this applies to them – it
        does not. If you are not in ecclesiastical authority over others, Matthew 7:1-6 does not apply to you. Just like in John 8:7, this verse does not apply to the common man, Jesus was speaking to the Pharisees and admonishing them, as they were in legal ecclesiastical authority over others, and could Judge ( in a LEGAL sense ) their sins and enact punishment.

        Which brings me to my next point…..

        The same people also mis-interpret the word JUDGING as JUDGING in a MORAL sense. This is incorrect, it refers to judging in a LEGAL (
        ecclesiastical ) sense. This is where the English translations can cause problems in the proper exegesis of Biblical text.

        Matthew 7:1; if we repair to the LXX ( Greek New Testament ), the
        word used is κρίνω, which means “to go to Law” and is synonymous with the Hebrew word, שׁפט which means “to rule on” or “judge
        legally”. IN Matthew 7:1 it is therefore refering to judgement in a legal
        capacity, as the Pharisees were in legal ecclesiastical authority over the populace – this is not being used in the English moral tense, which is anotherGreek word entirely, διακρίνω; the Greek word κρίνω is not used in the NT muchat all as it is very specifically about a legal judgment.

        As English does not have separate words for “Judge Legally” and “Judge Morally”, the exact meaning of Judge has to be inferred from context, and both διακρίνω and κρίνω are translated as the same English word, Judge, even though they mean two different things.

        Koine Greek has about 6 different words for the verb “to
        judge” – English does not. So no matter what greek verb was used, it all got translated to the same English word, which is VERY misleading. That is why it is helpful to know Koine Greek and to be able to read and write it. So again, repairing to the original Greek, the word used is Judge Legally, NOT Judge Morally

      • shea

        “Christ himself said “let he who is without sin cast the first stone.”

        No He did not. You are mis-interpetting this verse, and ignoring the surrounding Scripture, in addition to not being familiar with Jewish Ecclesiastical Law at the time. This passage is STRICTLY about capital punishment without due process:

        John 8:7 “he who is without sin, let him cast the first stone…”

        Another one of the most misunderstood passages in the Bible, and it’s misunderstabding is owed primarily to the fact that it is cherry-picked by those who do not read the entire thing, and by those who are ignorant of prevailing Jewish Law at the time.

        The short version:

        Woman accused of being caught in adultery. Under Jewish law she is to be stoned.

        The townsfolk and Pharisees had chased her down and were fixing to stone her when Jesus arrived on the scene.

        The Pharisees ( who were corrupt ) attempted to trick Jesus and to test him by seeing if he would order her stoning

        They asked him what they should do

        He reply’d “He among you ( The Pharisees )who is without sin, let him cast the first stone”

        Most people mis-interpet this to mean that only those without sin may point out
        the sin of another, or accuse them. THIS IS WRONG.

        First off, NOWHERE does Scripture say that you have to be perfect or sinless in order to point out the sin of another, or rebuke them for it. But there ARE scores of passages where we are TOLD to do so. Many try and use John 8:7 “ he among you who is without sin, let him cast the first stone”, as proof that we are not to rebuke or point out the sin of another unless we are sinless ourselves, and this is NOT what that passage means.

        I invite you to think this through; if that is what Jesus was really saying, and IF He was talking about ANY sin, then you must be saying that all courts, crimes, and punishments should not be in existence, because if everyone is a sinner, none would be
        capable of judging another and imposing punishment; we would have no laws, no courts, and certainly no punishments because only someone “without sin” could bring an accusation or enact punishment, a patently ridiculous and absurd idea. The entire NT and most of the Old Testament, like the entire book of Leviticus,
        would be wrong, and Jesus would also be contradicting God ( for it was God who gave the Law and the Punishments and instructed Israel to follow them and punish those who broke the law ). So let’s discover what this verse REALLY means ( remember, one does not interpret Scripture by taking one verse out of context ).

        To understand this scene, one must be familiar with Jewish Law at the time.

        Under the Levitical Law, a court of at least 23 judges would have to be satisfied, to a legal certainty, that the capital offense had been committed before the court could impose a death sentence. Since the testimony of two eye-witnesses was required, and the witnesses were subjected to vetting and detailed interrogation by the court, there was rarely an instance when the evidence met the prescribed legal standard, exactly why Jesus intervened in this case; she had not been afforded due process under the Law.

        [1] There were no witnesses,

        [2] the Sanhedrin of 23 judges had not been convened,

        [3] The witnesses ( if any had been present ) had not been vetted,

        [4] her lover was not also brought to be stoned.

        In short, Jesus came upon a lynching; this woman was ACCUSED of being caught in the act of adultery, as was her lover, but the Law had not been followed that proved she did this and which would allow her execution, and since the Law was not followed, only “he who is without Sin”, Jesus himself, could stone her in the absence of due process. Beings no one there was without sin, and no
        evidence, no witness, and no Judges ( 23 at a minimum ) were present, just a mob, Jesus let her go. One will also note that this is whole scenario is limited to a person being subjected to capital punishment without due process, and has nothing to do with pointing out or rebuking the sin of another.

        But the most important part of this passage is that Jesus was not speaking to the common man when he said “he who is without sin, let him cast the first stone”, but to the Pharisees; he was admonishing the Pharisees for their too strict application of the law when they themselves were committing the same or similar sins, a sentiment that is echoed in Matthew 7:1-6. This was NOT an edict from Jesus to the common man, but was directed at those in legal ecclesiastical authority over others.

        If you are not in ecclesiastical authority over others, this verse does not apply to you, same as Matthew 7:1 does not apply to you

    • Kaizz

      As a Christian, I know homosexuality is wrong. I also realize, understand, and accept that not everyone is Christian, or follows everything the Bible says. I have no problems with my gay friends, be it guys or girls. I don’t find lesbianism attractive, but it’s not my business. Some Christians are confused about some stuff. Either that, or they just don’t understand how God’s Love is supposed to work. They act as if God won’t love somebody unless they accept Him first, and stop doing those “atrocious sins.” Nope, not true. The God I know already loves everyone, but the sin in someone’s heart makes it hard for them to be with God. The sin isn’t just homosexuality. The Bible doesn’t label any since greater than another except for a few. The 7 deadly sins, which are more about sins that humans fall prey to that is destructive to themselves, and forcibly turning your back on the Holy Spirit.

      Nothing in the Bible says “hey, you’re still a sinner, but that guy is gay, so go force him to be straight, or tell him he’s going to burn in a lake of fire with all the other monsters. That way, you can come to heaven, where they don’t belong.” I think this is the perception a lot of people get when someone hears “Christian” or hears someone preaching about sin. The Bible DOES say, however, “come as you are.” God doesn’t care what you’ve done, or what your lifestyle is. He just wants to know you, and He’s loved you before you were even thought of. When no one else will accept that you’re gay, He already has. Getting to know God will open you up to a different mindset. HE knows someone’s heart, HE’S the one who gets to judge, not us. So stop treating homosex- wait, no. Stop treating ANYONE who doesn’t share your same views as if they are monsters, because that just makes you more of a monster than they are. /end rant

    • Sean

      I don’t understand why people are always picking on homosexuality as a sin, but miss other important SINS; Example: Women speaking in church?

      “As in all the congregations of the saints, women should remain silent
      in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in
      submission, as the Law says. If they want to inquire about something,
      they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a
      woman to speak in the church. Did the word of God originate with you? Or
      are you the only people it has reached?” (1 Cor. 14:33b-36 NIV).

    • Marc

      You are a disgusting bigot. Go crawl back under your rock.

    • Bish Chan

      There is a commandment about worshipping other gods. Societally we subscribe to the freedom of religion. How do you reconcile that? I’m assuming you have not stoned any muslims or heathens to death and do in fact tolerate them.

      • bungicord

        We don’t force anyone to accept the sacrifice of Jesus Christ on the cross. You’re free to believe anything you want as far as we’re concerned. But we also have the freedom to say what we want so we tell you what will happen to you if you don’t believe. You don’t have to listen but at least we wont be responsible for your not hearing it.
        Unlike the muzzles and heathens we have cut away back on executing non believers in fact I cant think of any heretics we’ve killed in oh say 1500 years. We do not tolerate evil at all. We condemn it. God will take care of punishment.

        • Bish Chan

          Do you call those of differing religious persuasions for being sinners too?

          When you believe others can believe whatever they want, isn’t that in fact toleration?

          • bungicord

            We Christians are commanded by God to spread the word and we do. We are not commanded to force anyone to believe it.
            Would you try to force your wife to love you? Well neither will God force anyone to love him. He made you with free will.
            We Christians condemn no one of sin as we too are sinners. The difference is we are saved by the grace of God because we believe in Jesus Christ and that He died for us. The book teaches what sin is but you already know when you sin. It’s called conscience. No matter how a person tries to hide it he feels guilt, a feeling of unhappiness when he sins.
            We don’t hate sinners that would be hating ourselves. We hate the sin. Big difference.

          • Bish Chan

            You originally said: “Yet we are required to accept their intentional perversions as normal.
            God says that those who allow sin are just as responsible as the sinner.
            Don’t be afraid to call a sin a sin.”

            So applied to people of different religious persuasions, what do you say to them?

  • Alysa Buchanan

    I think this article is in poor taste, and should definitely be titled differently. Jeans and genes are two different entities altogether, and should be viewed as such.

    • http://musterion.typepad.com/blog/ Joe Dokes

      What exactly in the article is in poor taste?

      • Route 66 West

        Nothing in poor taste that I saw. I though the title a clever play on words.

        • pickedaname

          I got it the first time haha

    • shea

      Its called a PUN Alysa, a play on words…..smh

  • asfkd

    20 years to figure that out?! are these guys freaking hourly?!!!???

    • pickedaname

      Union job, to be sure :)

  • gypsy314

    Being gay is a choice and choosing to be gay should not fall on the rest of humans. If one chooses to be a serial killer should this be acceptable because that is there choice. Gays need help and if they choose to seek help they should get help to undo confusion of there sickness. If gays choose not seek help then so be it but do not impose your sickness on us because you choose wrong.

    • patp
    • Blake

      This is the stupidest thing I heard. You need to get your facts straight.

      • gypsy314

        Only thing is stupid is allowing gays to run around spreading this sickness on the public. Americans should not have to explain away gays sickness of being confused about them self. I do say pray for forgiveness of there sins will help gays choose wisely.

    • Kerston

      What about hermaphrodites? What do the “choose”? Any cases where one has a defect the other doesn’t ? I think this article is BS/

      • Marlo Miller Ricciardi

        That is a physical deformity and is not normal. They obviously have to choose to behave as one or the other since they can’t do both.

      • gypsy314

        I say they should choose and seek help

    • nonny

      Didn’t God give us Free Will so that we could make the choice to live with sin or without? And that each man will be judged based on his choices? Who are you to take away God’s Gift from anyone?

      I am not gay, but if I had made that “choice,” that would be between me and God, and no one else. Because unlike murder, in which someone is harmed, loving who you “choose” does not cause harm to anyone. And if it is a sin, then God will judge the sinners. It’s not your job to do so.

      • gypsy314

        I do not care what you do behind closed doors but when you bring this sickness out around family’s and push your sickness on our children and us I draw the line and say you must get help our go back to the closet.

  • MARYANN33

    Of course they are not born gay…it is a choice…We choose not to be impacted by their decisions…They need to go back into their closet and not force themselves on society..Sin is sin…homosexuality is a perversion. We should not accept it…It is not normal nor okay.

    • Kerston

      When did you choose to be straight?

      • SMH-DraggingMyHeels

        I don’t know about MaryAnn – but I personally chose to be straight when I finally realized what my choices and decisions were doing to others. I had myself convinced for over ten years that I was, at the very least, “bi”. Then, I became involved with a woman at work. We were dear friends and had a tremendous amount in common. More so than my own husband & I did. Yes. Husband. I made numerous decisions to push him towards the back burner. and Life was finally a thrill… Hiking, concerts, wine tastings, book club, camping trips, Lilith Fair, even a parade! ;)
        All the while, my husband continued to work full time, pay bills, help rear two children, as well as love and pray for me. And for our marriage.
        Somehow, by the grace of God, I realized what I was doing was absolutely unfair, at the very least. I somehow managed to find my way and I personally think that 15 years later the fact that we are happily married and those kids are now grown – well I think it is a miracle. I still struggle with my sin. Even writing about that time has an odd effect on me. But I trust God to help me live a life that is right. I love all people. It is not about (or shouldn’t be about feeling justified to act hatefully toward anyone!)
        “Being gay didn’t even make the top ten” I always say…
        but I just know in my heart, it is not what God intended for us.
        A broken, fallen world is what makes some people want it.

      • MARYANN33

        Not applicable….Never was a question..neither is it a question for gays….

      • shea

        Everyone is born str8 Kerston, it is the underpinning of the genome of all gamete lifeforms. One “chooses” to act in a manner different from the way you were born.

    • anny

      If it is a choice, then so what? God gave us Free Will so that we can choose.

      And how exactly are you impacted by someone else being gay, or even being in a gay relationship? I am not impacted when my neighbor lies to his wife (lying is also a sin, in case you forgot.) I am not impacted when my brother eats a lobster (shellfish, also a sin and abomination.) Why are you so impacted by what grown, consenting adults do in their own home?

      Maybe you should focus more on your own life, and less on the lives and choices of others. Gay people exist. Liars exist. Sinners exist. Their sin will be judged by God. Their existence does not cause you physical harm, nor does it prevent you from Salvation.

      • MARYANN33

        Maybe they should quit making laws for homosexuals to be seen as normal…and go back in the closet where I can ignore them…They are in my face and I have had enough of that…..

      • MARYANN33

        Read Chris Christie’s new law….They are in our face……Get out of our faces…

      • shea

        The dietary laws never applied to Gentiles anny, get your facts str8.

  • MARYANN33

    The title of the article is clever…Well done.

  • Amy

    I really like this website/group/whatever because of the way it empowers women to be knowledgeable about guns and personal safety. Seeing crap like this on here makes me like it a lot less. I get that your daddy’s a preacher but maybe you should stick to less polarizing issues?

    Oh, and guess what? Babies aren’t born straight either. I’ve never met a single baby who wanted to have sex with anyone for that matter.

    • http://musterion.typepad.com/blog/ Joe Dokes

      What exactly in the article is crap?

      • Route 66 West

        I do not believe that the article is crap. Identical twins are very useful subjects for a number of studies. To have a twins register that is larger and growing is very helpful. Counting which twins turn out to be gay is just one use of the register.

      • organsm

        The entire article is crap. I have many friends who are “Identical” twins. If their DNA is identical why did one have a 4.0 GPA with little work and the other studied and struggled to make a passing grade? Why does one wear glasses and the other not? Why does one have a mole on her left cheek and the other not? It’s all a bunch of crap trying to support the extreme right’s anti-gay agenda and un-christian actions of hate. If we’re going to go to the laws of the old testament how many of your wives and sisters should have been put to death for not being a virgin on their wedding night? Why are we not stoning disobedient children to death outside the city? Why do you eat pork and shrimp?
        Why do you wear cotton/polyester blends? ALL sins and laws according to the same scripture used against homosexuality. I seriously believe that those who are the most vocally against it are trying desperately to direct the focus away from their own homosexual desires. I KNOW several of my high school and college classmates who were like that are now OUT and living a “sinful” life with a same sex partner.

        • shea

          Fraternal twins can look like one another, and cause people to think they are identical twins. I suspect this is the problem here. Moles, intelligence, the wearing of glasses are not pre-determined genetic traits either – try again.

  • DEfromDC

    I think the explanation that homosexuality results from something in their environment interrupting normal sexual development, where a child goes back and forth attaching to father and mother, is the most logical and easiest to understand. It becomes a development deficiency, from being molested or even teasing or teaching about being gay life before the child has fully developed, maybe as late as 15.

    It makes so more sense than the concept of a gay gene and explains that it may not be a choice depending on the impact of the event.

    • http://musterion.typepad.com/blog/ Joe Dokes

      Problem is, such trauma does not happen in every case.

      • DEfromDC

        Psychologists have said it can be as little as just teaching about it if other problems complicate the issues. It has been easier to talk with other parents with this explanation.

      • guest by choice

        I have several gay friends and their life stories are living nightmares, from abusive parent, parents, crazy relatives, and strange weirdo people. Maybe as more research is done, the moments of trauma can be better recognized and dealt with earlier, without all the self destructive angst.

    • EnidM

      I agree and also think it could be all the hormones in our water system and in the mother from birth control pills might be effecting al least the men. All the chemicals in our food could be changing a lot of things.

      • bloopbloop

        Granted we ALL have access to the same food, water, and birth control. Drinking contaminated water and taking birth control doesn’t determine someone’s orientation. It only barely factors in, and by “barely”, I mean “not at all”.

        • blogger

          Do you think that chemicals, hormones, foods and medications affect all people equally? These factors affect each person in thousands of different ways, which is why some people can’t take penicillin, or drink milk, or eat peanuts without dying, and yet many others are perfectly fine.

      • Marlo Miller Ricciardi

        Sin and bad choices are affecting them.
        Not birth control pills which the mother is obviously not taking if she has a child.

        • EnidM

          Not true my husbands mother was on birth control pills for 4 months or so before she realized she was pregnant with my husband. Also hormones for the pill are in lots of our water systems so I was mainly talking about that more then a mother taking the pill. I am not saying that in the majority it is not sin and bad choices or even something bad happening to them. Also even if it was from chemicals it does not mean that they can give into the sin. Chemicals make us want to eat more then we should that does not mean we should give in and do it.

  • pennsyltuckian

    This will never make the lame stream press because if shows they are wrong and they hate facts.

  • http://musterion.typepad.com/blog/ Joe Dokes

    No matter what explanations are made to normalize homosexuality, they have never held up under scrutiny. It is always exposed as aberrant.

    • Chris

      Gays are gross and it’s not natural. Human beings are Internal Fertilizing animals. That means Man + Woman = child. Doesn’t work any other way. You’re just some weirdos who are doing it wrong and have severe fetish issues.

      • Guest

        Was that aimed at me?

      • Joshua-Tobey

        It is actually perfectly natural to be gay. There are over 100 different animal species that engage in homosexual behaviors.

        • Chris

          I’ll await that proof. And if you show some wiki type bullshit you’ll prove you’re a moron. Gays contribute nothing but a problem. Also science shows species don’t have the intelligence to determine either which sex is which until moments later. And no it’s not natural it’s a disgusting mental condition.

          • Ricky

            Chris, you funny. But without gays there would be no art in the world. How would you entertain yourself or sing We Will Rock You? A world with out gaydom would be a big fat Norman Rockwell painting; predictable and mildly dorky.

          • Chris

            Without gays theree would be a lot less idiots. Fine you want to allow people to express their sexuality. ok. that means pedophiles, those people who hump animals those who are attracted to inanimate objects so on and so forth. So all of those people are now right. Gay is a choice just like anything else a living creature does.

          • Linda

            Those are unconsensual aspects of peoples sexuality. Were not legalizing rape or pedophelia. Its consensual between a homosexual couple.

          • ArmedAmerican

            That’s not the issue here…is out generic or not is

        • shea

          No, there are not animals that engage in homosexuality – you are anthropomorphisizing the animals behavior – look up the word.

          What has been ‘documented’ is homosexual researchers trying to PROVE what they already believe, a major no-no in scientific research, a textbook example of a cognitive bias ( see below, B.F. Skinner ), specifically conformational bias.

          What has been documented is BEHAVIOR that on its surface looks like human behavior, but that is what anthropomorphizing means – Attribution of HUMAN MOTIVATION, ACTIONS, FEELINGS, characteristics, or behavior to inanimate objects, ANIMALS, or natural phenomena.

          You see two males animals,or insects, or what-have you, doing something that LOOKS similar to what humans
          do, it is a fallacy of false analogy (apples and oranges fallacy ) to draw the fallacious conclusion that they are DOING what humans do for the reasons and motivations that humans do it.

          It is also the fallacy of false dichotomy, as there may well be other options to explain the behavior other than “what they are doing is what humans do…”

          And last but not least, it is also a Texas Sharp Shooter Fallacy, in which unrelated pieces of information are compared and similarities between unrelated subjects are used to claim the existence of a result or conclusion, or of a pattern of behavior or psychological/physiological commonality, a variant ( subset) of the fallacy of composition.

          Moving out of the Fallacies arena and into the Cognitive Biases arena, it’s important to distinguish between
          cognitive biases and logical fallacies. A logical fallacy is an error in logical argumentation (e.g. ad hominem attacks, slippery slopes, circular arguments, appeal to force, etc.). A cognitive bias, on the other hand, is a genuine deficiency or limitation in our thinking — a flaw in judgment that
          arises from errors of memory, SOCIAL ATTRIBUTION, miscalculations, and preconceived ideas that impede our thinking.

          B.F. Skinners theory of Cognitive Dissonance is the preferential mode of behavior that leads to the confirmation bias — the often unconscious act of referencing only those
          perspectives that fuel our pre-existing views, while at the same time ignoring or dismissing opinions — no matter how valid — that threaten our world view. And paradoxically, the internet has only made this tendency even worse; the
          trend to attach a homosexual significance to the behavior of animals is, as mentioned above, not only several logical fallacies, it is also more basically an error of Confirmation bias; a “tendency to search for or interpret information in a way that confirms one’s preconceptions” and to dismiss any
          information that contradicts that preconception. It is a non-textual form of eisegesis.

          ALL research that claims animals are homosexual falls into one or all of the above categories. It is NOT scientifically sound in any shape, manner, or form.

          • Jacob

            What do you call male chimpanzees ejaculating into another male chimpanzee then? How is there a logical fallacy in regarding that behavior as sexual?

          • shea

            Did you not read the above? It is called ANTHROPOMORPHISM, an attribution of HUMAN MOTIVATION, ACTIONS, FEELINGS, characteristics, or “behavior” to inanimate objects, ANIMALS, or natural phenomena. There is no proof, other than questioning the animal, that what an animal does he does for the same reasons a human does it. This is also in psychology called “projection”.

          • Linda

            Sorry but that is incorrect. Other animals do have anal sex with other animals. Just do 2 minutes of research on the internet shea. Rams quite often mount other rams. Believe me, as a rancher, I really have enough experience to know that as FACT.

          • ArmedAmerican

            What do you call rabbits who nail small dogs?

        • A Seeker

          You can get to a point where it becomes your natural way of having sex. I’ve seen men do that. All of the men I’ve known were also attracted to women. Also, all but one had either never met their father or had a terrible relationship with their father from the earliest years. A majority of them came from impoverished backgrounds, which would be in accord with the fact the males from poor socio economic backgrounds are almost twice as likely to be gay.

          Most stories of same sex contact in animals is thought to be dominance behaviour, which would explain why you don’t see it in females. That’s not to say it isn’t equivalent to people in some ways. Many male gays get started by early contact or molestation, which is often a dominance form of sexuality. Gay, for sure. Healthy not so much. In most of the Greek city states gay sex was predominant, so yes, it can come to be pervasive and be the norm. Whether it was natural is debateable, as much of it was, like the animal kingdom a matter of dominance though men seem to have a unique ability to conflate dominance and sex. Unlike what you might imagine gay sex wasn’t free and easy in these cultures but was actually fraught with rules. Rules designed to protect younger boys from older ones. Even today the more older brothers a boy has the more likely he is to be gay.

          So is it “natural”? Yes, depending on how much you are willing to distort that word. It’s natural for the Bachi Bazi isn’t it? It becomes natural over time. How about the greek Cithara boys of old who brought that tradition to the middle east?

          Whether or not it’s “perfectly” natural is another question however. It’s not perfect for the grandparents, it’s not perfect for male gays who will never raise their own kids. It’s not perfect for the parents whose give their kids to the state to be raised by gays. For every lesbian couple created there are two offsetting men somewhere in society who will never live with their kids.. if they have any. Think about it Not so perfect for them.

          • Chris

            And then I take apart your long worded theory with something simple. Natural = able to reproduce from mating in one way or another. Smearing fecal matter all over your wang isn’t going to make a kid. EVER. It’s not natural there is some serious mental problems going on.

        • And

          Animals do engage in homosexual behavior. But it isn’t natural. It’s feral. Animals also rip each other apart and eat each other. Should we do the same? Animals lick up their own feces and vomit. Should we? Just because animals do something doesn’t mean it is right or good. There are so many things animals do that no human should ever do.

        • ArmedAmerican

          Really?
          My dog likes to hump cats….does that mean it’s natural for humans to want sex outside their species?

  • Route 66 West

    As the twins register grows larger and larger, the conclusion in this area of study will be harder to refute.

  • jaybird

    I don’t think it is a choice in some cases. I have watched two babies grow up, the girl is 25 now and the boy is probably 30 something. The girl has boyish features and played T-ball when she was 6 and could beat the boys (even other children asked her if she was a boy or girl), played soccer when she got older,participated in throwing a football in a Redskin competition and won when she was in high school and could outdo most boys. Did not like dresses at an early age, She seems to have had some issues of figuring who she is, her TWIN sister (not identical) is all girl. Their mother has a thyroid problem and one supposedly was conceived a little later than other per pediatrician. I think it was a chromosome or testosterone or even hormone problem.

    The other family has a boy that was very particular the way he looked when he was 3 yrs. old and had to be perfect and his body size is on small side and a little wimpy and single. His older sister is a little sloppy and a tom boy, hunts, fishes, trains bomb sniffing dogs and is married with a child.

    • Route 66 West

      After reading your post it seems like you left something out. The “tom boy” sister is straight, married with child, correct ? I have known “tom boy” girls who are straight. Just because they aren’t “girly girls” doesn’t mean that don’t know who they are. Is the boy of that family gay ? The 2 families each have a “tom boy” ?

      • jaybird

        The 2nd family with the tom boy girl that’s married looks and acts like a woman but can be considered a tom boy because she does things that boys like to do also. “She does not have boy features”. Her brother I would bet money that he is gay, I have never seen him with anybody because his father is very macho and there would be discord and if he keeps it private they can ignore it.

        The 1st family – the girl is ” more than a tom-boy”, her body features are that of a young boy and she has the hips and walk of a guy, dresses boyish and seems to like girls. I did not say she was a tom-boy. I also said that even when “she was 5/6 yrs old other children asked her if she was a boy of girl”. Her and her twin sister were raised the same. What I am saying is that I think after seeing & being friends with these 2 families that it is not a “choice”.

    • EnidM

      I was a tom boy I love snowmobiling going fast. Anything that has wheels I can drive would love to learn to fly. I would much rather do “mens work” mowing lawns, cutting firewood etc, then “womans work” cleaning house, sewing, but I am not gay and I have 9 living children and a wonderful husband of 25 years. I do dress like a girl and wear dresses most the time because I read somewhere that men perfer woman in dresses and so I want to look the best for my husband.

      • pickedaname

        Now THAT’S a WOMAN! You go, girl!

      • jaybird

        I understand what you are saying and I am not saying that everyone that is a “tom boy” is gay. I am saying that this particular young woman (one of the twins) has boyish features from an early age and has boyish mannerisms. “I know the difference between a “tom boy” and a gay person”! People that are reading this need to read “all” of the responses a couple of times before responding. I did not say that the woman that was a tom boy with a child was gay, her brother seems to be! I was pointing certain things out to show the difference in the children in these 2 families and that “I think that there might be an imbalance in chromosomes, testosterone or even hormones. These children showed signs at a very young age that they were different/gay. That it might “not be a choice” in some cases.

    • pickedaname

      Babies begin to learn the art of manipulation at just several months old. Toddlers begin to take things that belong to others very early on, to the point of using violence to get their way. Does this mean, when referencing stealing and beating other people to get their stuff, that these people don’t have a choice and were just born that way, since they exhibit signs leaning them this way very early on?

      • jaybird

        You think they learned how to be gay at an early age and continued to be that way even after they see the hurt in their family and knowing what society thinks??? They know what the Bible said. These 2 would not hurt a fly. They have outer physical characteristics of the opposite sex and that is something that you can’t change without medical intervention. That was a stupid comparison of stealing, beating and manipulation versus being gay!

        These 2 young people are not that kind. They came from good Christian families, they don’t cheat, lie, steal or get into trouble, I don’t know but I’ll bet they were teased and bullied at school for looking and acting different. They were at the top of their classes in school and they are at the top in their jobs.

        If this was a perfect world, children would be born perfect without “genetic defects”. You are not going to convince me that if there is a “genetic problem” that they can change without some kind of medical intervention.

        All of my comments here were to give people something to think about as far as medical defects go, not to change minds and I am done, I don’t see how I can explain it any further.

  • marineh2ominer

    In my personal opinion ( and millions of others ) , all faggots are just weak ” morally ” perverted ” b–t–ds and have no intention of improving their lot because too many liberal communist azzholes support their sick perverted behavior . I F THE SICK B–T–DS KEPT IT IN THEIR BEDROOM LIKE DECENT STRAIGHTS I WOULDN’T GIVE A DAMN WHAT THEY DO .

    • Sam Hb

      This is not my personal opinion but a fact: you (and “millions of others”) don’t matter anymore, and your ignorant and bigoted opinions are now in the dustbin of history.

      By the way, learn to spell.

    • gabriel

      Spew some more hate and curses around, go ahead. Yep. I’m sure God wants your All Loving Heart in heaven.

  • justamom

    A combination of nature and nurture…that’s what we know. And the more acceptable, the more we “accept” this, the less there is any desire or any reason for change.

  • mary

    i can’t believe how bigoted and narrow minded people are. you call yourselves christians and you have the nerve to judge everyone. hope you don’t get stoned, maybe an avalanche instead. also read your disclosures above because you certainly are not courteous to people that don’t follow your “rules”

    • Peace and love

      Christians are called to judge the ACTIONS of a person that goes against the natural law of God, which us biblical. They cannot judge the person himself as to why he commits the sin.

      All people sin.

      Love the sinner hate the sin.

      • organsm

        More like “hate the sinner; love the sin” because once again I’ll say they all wish they could be themselves so hate those that are happy with their sexuality.

    • pickedaname

      So if you tell me that stealing is not wrong, and I call you on it, referencing Gods word, which I say I believe as absolute truth, and express my desire to keep my children away from this type of thinking, I become a ‘so-called’ christian, a bigot and judgmental of everyone. So be it. If you want to steal, that’s ok by me, as long as you don’t steal from me and don’t shove this thinking down my kids throat as something which is right.

      • prolibertate

        Completely different issues: stealing has been condemned by EVERY culture, because the harm done to the individual, as well as society in general, is obvious. This goes for theft, fraud and all sorts of physical harm, including murder.

        The fact that the Bible agrees with this is neither surprising nor exceptional.

        Calling homosexuality a “sin” is an entirely subjective judgment that is NOT universal. There were many cultures that did not condemn homosexuality, so it is not universal.

        It is also a “victimless crime”, as long as it is consensual. Same is true for heterosexual relations and rape.

        • Barbi

          This is not a completely different issue. God says stealing is wrong. God says murder is wrong. AND YES, God says that the sexual perversion of homosexuality is wrong. You can try to justify this sin in your mind as much as you want, but you will never, ever sway God’s views on this. Thus, you will never sway people who truly love God and follow His ways.

          • patp

            Yet when God steals or murders it’s ok

  • night

    What a crock of bullcrap and waste of money. This is so wrong, it’s not even worth discussing. More lies from a so called expert. Kinda reminds me of mental illness treatments from the late 1800′s and early 1900′s. Just plain stupid. People being gullible enough to believe it or should I say sheeple? Stupid people. To those of you who are homophobic: “when are you going to grow up? Come on out of the closet. Your life will get much better and thou can stop hating others because they are true to themselves.” Or didn’t you realize that your homophobia gives your secret away? Lol.

    • Barbi

      You do realize that even the term “homophobia” is a lie? That would imply that people who disapprove of the homosexual perversion are somehow “afraid” of it. That is so far, far, far from being the case. We do not HATE gay people, nor are we AFRAID of them for whatever reason you pretend to believe we are. We LOVE God. God said that homosexuality is an abomination. Period. No middle ground, and no wiggle room on this. He destroyed Soddom and Gomorrah for this sexual perversion. There is no such thing as “homophobia”, there is only a desire to follow God’s Word and to love righteousness. We don’t hate the sinner, only the sin.

      • patp

        Dear Barbi,
        God is a lie.
        Sincerely, common sense.

      • obby

        Lying is also a sin. Period. No wiggle room. So the next time your hefty friend asks you if that dress makes her look fat, your answer had better be a resounding “Sure does!” otherwise, you’re a sinner.

        Thing is, sin is between you and God (unless it’s something like theft or murder or adultery, in which case other people are being harmed by the sin.)

        Homosexuality existing doesn’t harm you, just like you (theoretically) telling a lie to your friend doesn’t harm me (although it may hurt your friend, if she finds out!) That makes Homosexuality between the sinner and God.

    • shea

      So you are saying that when a person dislikes a thing that really means they like it? Really? Best think that through a bit….

  • Scientist

    I’m sorry, but this article is based on hoaxes. There is no Dr. Neil Whitehead, PhD. Please check your sources.

    • Peace and love

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      http://www.mygenes.co.nz/
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    • Denny

      Where did you get your information from? There certainly IS a Dr. Neil Whitehead and he is pretty easy to find if you do a simple search for his name….Maybe you should check YOUR sources if, indeed, you have any at all……troll.

      • organsm

        It’s interesting that when you put his name in a search engine you get ads for “get your PhD online. From what I read his work and education is not in anything related to this topic. He’s a big fag who wants to hide it by screaming IT’S WRONG. IT’S A SIN. WHAT SICK, SICK PEOPLE. SO GLAD I HAVE A WIFE AND KIDS AND AM NOT LIKE THEM! Meanwhile he has stacks of pictures of little boys in very compromising positions. You’re all a bunch of sickos but I’ll still pray for you.

    • ModdKenwood

      said the “scientist”

  • jaybird

    Children are born with defects all the time. I think it is a medical reason that “some” people are gay.

    • shea

      Then it is something to be cured, like any other defect.

  • MontieR

    What they are NOT born that way, who’d a thunk it.

  • gypsy314

    Gays are sick and need mental help may god be swift in justice.

    • organsm

      You will be the one God is swift to condemn. Judge not that ye be not judged.

      • gypsy314

        I gather you are one of the crazy sick ones that need help I will pray you get help and ask god to forgive you and help you with your sins.

      • Greg Lewis

        Read the entire passage. Stop taking it out of context. “but judge with righteous judgment” It means not to judge hypocritically.

  • Sara712

    Twins genes are 100% identical if they are identical twins, however ever notice that they can look/behave differently as they age? That’s due to differences in the activation of genes than simply the mere presense of a gene, known as epigenetic changes…something to consider

    • bloopbloop

      Thank God someone mentioned something about gene activation.

      • shea

        Why, its irrelevant as regards to true mono-zygotic twins…

    • ltneid

      I had identical twin friends in high school. The only way I could tell them apart is that they parted their hair on opposite sides.

    • Kerston

      That is not exactly true either. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/02/080215121214.htm This article or the guy they are quoting is not the end all be all. May be what some of you that want to condemn others want to hear, but is it fact? Very doubtful. So sad so many want to condemn those they don’t understand. Explain how one identical twin can have a genetic disorder the other does not or even a birth defect ? This guy and this article are full of malarkey. Stop hating on people because they are different and for goodness sake stop using the bible in an inappropriate way. Even the old testament is referring to “being gay” or a eunuchs. It is referring to rape of young men or sexual acts out of “your” norm. Not what is normal for an eunuch as Jesus gives 3 examples when talking about taking a “wife” (not specifically marriage) 1. Is “of the womb” 2. “made of man” (castrated or sex slave) 3. “by choice” Being celebate to serve God.
      Does anyone ever use their brain when reading the bible or for any purpose besides fear mongering and judging others?

      • Kerston

        Oh and old testament . Man who lieth with man “AS” he lieth with woman…You can’t lie with man AS you lie with woman…as at the same time or if you don’t lie with woman at all. Look up the definition of “as”. Notice all the other sex sins mentioned right there with it. The difference in wording..accidental? I don’t think so.
        When I listen to many “Christians” I get the feeling they think being gay is the ultimate sin. They are obsessed with it. Why is that?

        • shea

          Because shoving your pecker in a mans anus and swishing about in feces is as about as disgusting as you can get.

        • shea

          I also read and write Hebrew, Koine Greek, and Latin. WHAT did you want to teach ME about any of those languages, hmmmm????

      • shea

        Zygote twins NEVER have one with a genetic defect and the other without. You are thinking of fraternal twins.

    • Marlo Miller Ricciardi

      It doesn’t change the point of the article that there is NO freaking gay gene. Anybody who lies and says they had no choice is not being honest with himself or others.

  • jimpeel

    I didn’t need a study to confirm what I knew all along.

    • Kerston

      Try this one..and many others http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/02/080215121214.htm
      Although I realize most of you want to stay on your high horse and won’t put the pieces together unless they fit your beliefs…which by the way aren’t biblical. You are even twisting that to fit your bigotry.

      • onetruepatriot

        “Not biblical”? This sin is called an “abomination” in several scriptures! In your opinion, what does the Bible say about why Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed? It is very “biblical”!

        • patp

          The Bible is a book of fairy tales and outdated laws. Very few (if any) of the events from it actually happened. Also, eating shellfish and using mixed fabrics are also abominations yet you don’t seem to care.

          • jimpeel

            Every year archeologists are finding proof that the Bible was the truth. In the past ten years there have been hundreds of artifacts found which prove Biblical history.

            Just this past month this was in the news:

            http://www.bible-archeology.com/2013/07/king-davids-palace-discovered-south-of.html?utm_source=BP_recent

            Monday, July 22, 2013

            King David’s Palace Discovered South of Jerusalem

            Archaeologists are claiming a major discovery which they believe to be the palace of the Biblical King David. For the past seven years archaeological excavations have been underway at a site located some 18 miles southwest of Jerusalem. The site, known as Khirbet Qeiyafa, is believed to be the Biblical city of Shaarayim. The walled city overlooked the valley where the battle between David and Goliath took place and according to the archaeologists working the site, the city was later home to one of King David’s Palaces. Furthermore, the city was also home to a large storeroom believed to have been used to collect and hold taxes in the form of grains, olives and other commodities. The palace and storeroom are the two largest structures ever to be found from the era of King David.

          • patp

            Read this book. Very little (if anything) in the Bible really happened

            http://www.amazon.com/The-Bible-Unearthed-Archaeologys-Ancient/dp/0684869136

          • shea

            We don’t care because the Dietary, Sacrificial, and Ceremonial Laws never applied to Gentiles ( non-jews ), but only to the people of Israel. Only the Moral Law applies to everyone. Learn to exegetate Scripture.

      • jimpeel

        If being gay is natural, and there is such a thing as a gay gene, do you think that prospective parents, upon learning that their child has that gene, will say “Take it out” or “Leave it in?”

        Watch what you wish for. You just might get it.

      • jimpeel

        I don’t need the Bible to know when people are wallowing in filth. Why do you think that gays have such a high incidence of Hepatitis A? Maybe post coital fellatio and analingus might have a profound effect on that. Those who eat the fecal matter of other people are not likely to be the cleanest people you might know.

        So the next time you are being served by a gay waiter at your favorite restaurant think to yourself “I wonder if he washed his hands after he used the restroom.”

  • Guest

    Love it!!

  • prolibertate

    I know a lot of people would like this to be true, but it is unscientific nonsense!

    The idea that there is a “homosexual gene” that makes people homosexual is an absurd assumption. How would it be transmitted?

    Sexual preference is like the spots on a leopard: the fact that spots appear is genetic, HOW the spots look is a matter of embryonic development. An identical clone will not have the same spots as the animal it was cloned from. We know that, based on actual clones of real cats.

    Every human being has a personality type, i.e. a specialization of certain brain centers over others. Jung discovered this and identified 16 clearly distinct such types. They are popularized through the MBTI system.

    The type is real, physical, hard-wired in the brain and even expressed in the skeleton and the muscles, as is well known to people who use type to improve people’s performance in sports, in teams etc. The type can be determined by observing a person’s movement, reactions etc. without ever asking a single question.

    This specialization is necessary, because our brain has a limited capacity – it requires already enormous amounts of oxygen and food. It can only support a certain amount of cells. So about 2/3rds of the brain cells are killed off in a embryonic development phase and then specialization sets in.

    The fact that this specialization occurs is genetic – it’s programmed. When it doesn’t happen, serious problems result, e.g. it was found that autistic children have too many brain cells, which explains their sometimes exceptional abilities, but also their inability to master common tasks.

    So the fact that there is a type is genetic, the type actually select is NOT, i.e. identical twins can have completely different types. That is obvious to anyone who knows twins.

    The type we are born with is the type we will have for their entire lives. We cannot alter it. We can act AGAINST it, e.g. a Feeling/Perceptive person can choose to be an accountant, but it will be painful, energy consuming and typically cause depression and other problems.

    Sexual preference is THE EXACT SAME THING!

    The fact that we have a sexual preference is genetic, what this preference will be is fixed during embryonic development.

    The fact that whoever made this study was not aware of such an obvious fact is a gigantic embarrassment.

    In any case, this is NOT SCIENCE!

    • prolibertate

      This is a typical STRAW MAN: someone who wants to “prove” that homosexuality is a “choice” makes up this claim that if sexual preference is inborn, it has to be genetic. So he then proves that there is no gene that makes people homosexual.

      The problem is that no one who has a clue claimed that there was a “homosexuality gene”. And it is absolutely not required.

      What we do know is that ALL human beings have a sexual preference that is SLIDING on a scale from complete heterosexuality over various forms of bi-sexuality to complete homosexuality.

      NB: I’m NOT homosexual, I’m about as far as you can be on the heterosexual side. And I was like this since I can remember. I was not “educated” to prefer women, I just never cared about men. It doesn’t matter what “model” I would have been shown.

      I am also totally unaffected in my preference for the type of woman I like by fashion or who is famous.

      I also know that people who are homosexual did not make a “choice” and were not “influenced”.

      I have one friend who dated women for 15 years until he realized that he simply was not attracted to them. He didn’t have homosexual models of any kind. He’s actually very conservative and hates left-wing people.

      IT’S NOT A CHOICE!

      • Barbi

        It is most definitely a choice. And any sinful choice can be overcome. You just have to want to, and most of them are so immersed in their immoral lifestyles and brainwashed by progressives into thinking this is “normal” behavior, they JUST DON’T WANT TO overcome.

        • bob

          And it is NOT YOUR BUSINESS whether or not they overcome it. It’s between them and God. God will judge sinners, not humans. God gave man the right to CHOOSE, and no man can take that right away from another. If they could, what happens to FREE WILL?

          • shea

            When I have to see it, hear about, know about it, and most especially when children are exposed to it, it most certainly IS my business.

      • Danny Adams

        The 2000 Australian research demonstrated exactly the opposite of what this article is claiming it did. One of the articles featuring this study, “Genetic and environmental influences on sexual orientation and its correlates in an Australian twin sample” (Journal Of Personality And Social Psychology, 2000 March) wrote in its abstract that the research “provided significant evidence for the importance of genetic factors to the traits’ covariation.” Another article, “Etiology of male sexual orientation in an Australian twin sample” (Psychology, Evolution & Gender. December 2000) got more specific by pointing out “approximately 42 to 60 per cent of observed variance estimated to be due to genetic influences in these variables”.

        You’re not going to convince anyone that homosexuality isn’t genetic when you lie about the research while the articles themselves are easy to track down.

        • jennyct

          It’s genetic and environmental… there is a genetic component, which is on par with obesity, among other traits! Environment makes the decision.

  • Zero

    Haha, children you are so misguided. The only sin being committed is the diffusion of your responsibility to a higher, false power. In the afterlife you will all realise the hatred and pain you have caused, and then your punishment will be that same realisation. We are free, powerful, and we create our own love. The only pain comes from people like you. YOU.

    • shea

      You perverts wouldn’t know true intimate love if it fell in your lunch and sang the tune from “Love Story”. You commit the fallacy of equivocation by conflating the love that a man and a woman have for each other as ‘the same’ as the “love” ( read lust ) that a man and man have.

      If a “love” between a man and a man was “the same” as the love between a man and a woman, one of them would BE a woman, unless you have some twisted, ‘redefined’ definition of “the same”.

  • JakeReed
  • Guest

    YOU PEOPLE NEED TO STOP HATING ON LGBT PEOPLE

  • Josh M

    YOU PEOPLE NEED TO STOP HATING ON THE LGBT PEOPLE

  • Bobby B.

    “Although monozygotic twins are genetically very similar, a study of 92 pairs of monozygotic twins, carried out in November of 2012, has found that monozygotic twins acquire hundreds of GENETIC DIFFERENCES early in fetal development, due to mutations (or copy errors) taking place in the DNA of each twin after the splitting of the embryo. It is estimated that, on average, a set of monozygotic twins will have about 360 GENETIC DIFFERENCES that occurred early in fetal development.”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twin

    • shea

      Wikipedia, Bwahahahahahaahahahahaaa

      • Bobby B.

        The source of the Wikipedia article is an article from the Daily Mail :
        http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2232148/Identical-twins-genetically-different-research-suggests.html

        Which itself refers to an article from LiveScience :
        http://www.livescience.com/24694-identical-twins-not-identical.html

        The study was presented at the American Society of Human Genetics.

        Still laughing?

        • shea

          Yes I am. This is a STUDY, not proof. It is a mere theory, and has yet to be replicated by other scientists. You need to learn the difference between scientific FACT and someone’s theory. You also need to learn to vet your sources, research the ‘researchers’ connections to the LGBT, do they have family they are trying to protect and legitimize, is their funding linked in any way to the LGBT or other LGBT friendly groups, is the ASHG politicized, like the APA or the AMA, etc, ad nauseam.

          For every ‘theory’ that you perverts try and trot out as proof, I can find one that refutes it, or comes to a different conclusion.

          But yes, I am still laughing; it is quite amusing to observe perverts bending over backwards in an attempt to legitimize their perversion – always good for a laugh!

          • Bobby B.

            You need to learn the difference between a study and a theory, and you need to learn the difference between the way we commonly use the word theory and the way scientists use the word theory (see the theory of gravity for example).

            This is a peer reviewed study which was published in scientific journals, if you understand the peer review process then you understand that funding or political links don’t matter. A peer reviewed scientific study is indeed a proof.

            Your use of the word “perverts” shows your bias, which ironically illustrates B.F. Skinners theory (oh here’s this funny word again) of Cognitive Dissonance which you cited below.

  • charles

    If gays are “not born that way” why is it virtually impossible for them to turn straight? There’s a reason Exodus International shut down.

  • Sam Hb

    Whitehead is a member of NARTH, an anti-gay fringe group that peddles “reparative therapy”. Hardly reliable.

    • luistp

      doesn’t matter who the messenger is, what matter is the fact that there is nothing genetic that make you straight or not, experiences during upbringing is the key…

      • Sam Hb

        “No gay gene” is a red herring and you know it. There’s evidence that biology plays an integral part in sexuality.

        http://articles.kspr.com/2013-06-20/higher-testosterone-levels_40103660

        • luistp

          …but is it is not the main factor, for the gender identity of a person is the way an individual sees her/himself, and that is primarily the result of the environment/experiences that individual has had in life, starting as early as 1 year old! so please… next, the body was designed by nature with very specific sexual functions and organs… and homosexuals are way off…

          Finally, the consequences of the homosexual life are very very very bad, denoting it to be a dysfunctional behavior, and that is a fact. Therefore they are NO different than other people than my have biological factors that give them “tendencies” to act in a certain way, like alcoholics, BUT the out comes of the behavior denotes it to be no good! End of story…

          • Sam Hb

            “the gender identity of a person is the way an individual sees her/himself, and that is primarily the result of the environment/experiences that individual has had in life, starting as early as 1 year old!”

            Gender identity and sexual orientation are two different topics.

            “the body was designed by nature with very specific sexual functions and organs”

            Then why does the human body have several vestigial traits that serve no purpose? Also, Google “homosexuality in animals”; over a thousand species engage in it.

            “Finally, the consequences of the homosexual life are very very very bad…”

            Those consequences and outcomes are the result of lack of self-control, not a sexual orientation. Heterosexuals also engage in harmful behaviors but not because they’re attracted to the opposite sex.

            ” denoting it to be adysfunctional behavior, and that is a fact.”
            Wrong according to the American Psychological Association, the American Psychiatric Association, the American Medical Association, the World Health Organization, and virtually every mainstream scientific group that deals with human sexuality.

          • shea

            No, animals do not engage in homosexuality. You are anthropomorphisizing the animal – look up the word.

            What has been ‘documented’ is homosexual researchers trying to PROVE what they already believe, a major no-no in scientific research, a textbook example of a cognitive bias ( see below, B.F. Skinner ), specifically conformational bias.

            What has been documented is BEHAVIOR that on its surface looks like human behavior, but that is what anthropomorphizing means – Attribution of HUMAN MOTIVATION, ACTIONS, FEELINGS, characteristics, or behavior to inanimate objects, ANIMALS, or natural
            phenomena.

            You see two males animals, or insects, or what-have you, doing something that LOOKS similar to what humans do, it is a fallacy of false analogy (apples and oranges fallacy ) to draw the
            conclusion that they are DOING what humans do for the reasons and motivations
            that humans do it.

            It is also the fallacy of false dichotomy, as there may well be other options to explain the behaviorother than “what they are doing is what humans do…”

            And last but not least, it is also a Texas Sharp Shooter Fallacy, in which unrelated pieces of information are compared and similarities between unrelated subjects are used to claim the existence of a result or conclusion, or of a pattern of behavior or psychological/physiological commonality, a variant ( subset) of the fallacy of
            composition.

            Moving out of the Fallacies arena and into the Cognitive Biases arena, it’s important to distinguish between
            cognitive biases and logical fallacies. A logical fallacy is an error in logical argumentation (e.g. ad hominem attacks, slippery slopes, circular arguments, appeal to force, etc.). A cognitive bias, on the other hand, is a genuine deficiency or limitation in our thinking — a flaw in judgment that
            arises from errors of memory, SOCIAL ATTRIBUTION, miscalculations, and preconceived ideas that impede our thinking.

            B.F. Skinners theory of Cognitive Dissonance is the preferential mode of behavior that leads to the
            confirmation bias — the often unconscious act of referencing only those perspectives that fuel our pre-existing views, while at the same time ignoring or dismissing opinions — no matter how valid — that threaten our world view.

            And paradoxically, the internet has only made this tendency even worse; the trend to attach a homosexual significance to the behavior of animals is, as mentioned above, not only several logical fallacies, it is also more basically an error of Confirmation bias; a “tendency to search for or interpret
            information in a way that confirms one’s preconceptions” and to dismiss any information that contradicts that preconception. It is a non-textual form of eisegesis.

            ALL research that claims animals are homosexual falls into one or all of the above categories. It is NOT scientifically sound in any shape, manner, or form.

          • Sam Hb

            And your sources are…

          • shea

            BF Skinner. I have already proven that your sources are sources from researchers with a cognitive bias – mainly because they have something to GAIN from it.

            A dictionary is really all the sources one requires, look up anthropomorphism.

          • Sam Hb

            How does that disprove the study? Try again.

          • shea

            Because animals are not capable for higher-ordered reasoning, and because OBSERVING what an a animal does and EQUATING it what and why a human does it is the very definition of anthropomorphism. BUT, if you wish to rationalize what you do by what you THINK animals are doing, then don’t bellyache when people treat you like animals.

          • shea

            There is no such thing as ‘gender identity’ – this is a rationalizing construct meant to legitimize a persons behavior. Your ‘gender identity’ is what your biological sex says it is – you are either xx or xy ( with the rare genetic FLAW of xxy or xxxy on the 23rd pair ). A dog can ‘identify’ as a human, its still a dog.

        • shea

          Not evidence at all. Evidence must be factual, this is merely someones ‘theory’, and this study also has not been replicated by other scientists – means it’s garbage.

          • Sam Hb

            As opposed to the “study” featured in this blog?
            It really doesn’t matter what you believe or what crap you say, you’ve already lost. The scientific community is not on your side. The judiciary is not on your side. Public opinion is not even on your side anymore. If you don’t like it, move to Africa, Russia, the Middle East, or some other place more in line with your backward views.
            If replying to and insulting people who will likely not answer back gives you a sense of superiority, help yourself, loser.

    • shea

      Your position is a logical fallacy, an ad-hominem. Just because he is a member of NARTH does not mean he is not right. Try Again. And at the same time I am sure, while condemning people for using NARTH as a source, you do not hesitate to use liberal sources as your backup. Hypocrite much?

      • Sam Hb

        I had forgotten about this discussion.

        Anyway, there’s a new study that destroys the claims of this article:

        http://www.ibtimes.com/does-gay-gene-exist-new-study-says-xq28-may-influence-male-sexual-orientation-1555564

        • shea

          Unless it has been replicated by other scientists, scientists with no connection to the homosexual agenda, no homosexual family members they are trying to protect and legitimize, is not funded in any way by homosexual activism, etc. ad nauseam, than building upon your rejection of NARTH for being biased, said study is also biased, and, according to you, garbage. Cant have it both ways cupcake.

          • Mike Hammer

            Sir, while admire your intellectual acumen, may I suggest that it is wasted on these adolescents who think they know everything and are simply trying to rationalize their choices; know-it-all teenagers or twenty-somethings These perverts stay out of the ghettos, where I was raised, for a reason, primarily being they know that they are sick and know that they would not make it out alive, so they troll boards like these because they cannot survive a fight with a real man. Keyboard warriors at best.

          • shea

            Perverts stay out of the country and my neck of the woods for the same reason – they’d likely have an unfortunate accident.

        • shea

          STUDY, not proof. This is simply a theory. Learn the difference.

          • Sam Hb

            What is “proof” to you, the Bible?

          • shea

            I already answered that: Unless it has been replicated by other scientists, scientists with no connection to the homosexual agenda, no homosexual family members they are trying to protect and legitimize, is not funded in any way by homosexual activism, etc. ad nauseam, than building upon your rejection of NARTH for being biased, said study is also biased, and, according to you, garbage. Cant have it both ways cupcake

          • Sam Hb

            Oh I forgot, the scientific community is conspiring in favor of the “homosexual agenda” and only wannabe cowboys are right. My mistake…

          • shea

            The scientific community is in no way in agreement on this subject. For every article you can provide supporting your views, I can produce one that debunks it, or says the opposite.

            See thing is, you homos go LOOKING for studies, performed by those with links in one manner or another to the gay agenda, and tout that as proof.

            Cognitive Biases.

          • Sam Hb

            When did I say I was a “homo”?
            All relevant studies point to some biological basis in sexual orientation. The only ones who say it’s entirely environmental are supporters of “reparative therapy,” which is a pseudoscience.

          • shea

            It is only pseudo-science to you because it does not dovetail with your preconceived ideas.

          • shea

            “When did I say I was a “homo”?

            You didnt have to say it.

  • patp

    The irony is that the people here who reject homosexuality because there’s no “gay gene” are really convinced there’s a god even though there’s no proof that it exists.

    • Marlo Miller Ricciardi

      If God, or if you prefer intelligent being, is good enough for Einstein he’s good enough for me.

      • patp

        “The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honorable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. ” -Albert Einstein

    • shea

      The argument that there is no God because no evidence has been found to support it is a logical fallacy, patp – absence of evidence is NOT evidence of absence. Try again, perhaps you should pull out your copy of Copi and Cohen.

  • Bish Chan

    What accounts for the slightly higher rate of one twin being gay if the other is? Any theories for that? Sounds interesting.

    • shea

      The rate of one for symmetrical sexual preference if one zygote twin is gay and the other being gay is 11% for males and 14% for females. It is not 52%.

      • Bish Chan

        Where is the 52% stat coming from?

  • tim79

    And this article shows the only science that conservatives accept starts with “pseudo”

    • shea

      While, of course, “science” that concurs with your believes is REAL science, eh tim?

  • Kerston

    OK for all of you that believe this and insist it is a choice from what this one article says…http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/02/080215121214.htm

    • luistp

      still… there is no gay gene, not even after 20 years of looking for it… so your post is irrelevant.

      • Jon

        Genes are not the only biological factors that determine something. There’s also hormones, brain shape, epigenes, etc.

        • luistp

          For me it is very simple… the consequences of the homosexual life are very very very bad, denoting it to be a dysfunctional behavior, and that is a fact. Therefore they are NO different than other people than my have biological factors that give them “tendencies” to act in a certain way, like alcoholics, BUT the out comes of the behavior denotes it to be no good! End of story…

          • Jon

            As if the heterosexual life didn’t have any problems.

          • shea

            Non-sequitur

  • tanya

    Hello, i would just like to share experience with the group. I dont judge anyone lifestyle or choice. That isnt my place. When i wad12 i discovered i was attracted to girls. As i got older, I experienced salvation throughJesus and he changed my life. I was still attracted to females though. It wasnt til later in life i was convicted in heart, that i need to make a choice. All i wanted to do is become closer to my creator so i gave Him my attraction to him… now this my personal choice, not judgment toward any ones choice. Thanks
    Ps i truelly hope all of you find true happiness as you seek your own truth <3 to all

  • RCB

    Well, I’ll be a monkey’s uncle, I knew it.

  • Free Spirt

    I wonder about all you folks who judge others based on what you believe in. I mean really, is it any of your business anyway? What gives you the right?

    • shea

      They make it our business by insisting the we acknowledge, approve, and sanction their behavior.

  • janie

    Just because a biased doctor with dubious ethics said “gays aren’t born that way” it must be the be-all and end-all of it, right? (sarcasm) Now publish an article showing how evolution isn’t true because Kent Hovind said so, or that the Earth isn’t round according to the Flat Earth Society.

    • TheWarriorSongProject

      if you can disprove his scientific approach, then do so, otherwise, shut up. You are just as highly biased as anybody, and clearly not interested in learning the truth as you are in attacking anybody who does not find evidence supporting your emotional certainties.

      • Sam Hb
        • TheWarriorSongProject

          You post links to more studies that prove nothing, and use them to counter this study that proves nothing, but your studies you assert as fact, which is about as un-scientific as you can get. Bravo, Einstein.

          Let me refresh you regarding “science”: until it can be proven, everything is a hypothesis. You are every bit as bad as a flat-earther.

          • Sam Hb

            Let’s see you do a better job then. If you can’t add anything to the issue, don’t post at all.

          • TheWarriorSongProject

            I don’t remember asking for your opinion in the first place, so take your own advice, cupcake.

          • shea

            Dont you have some poop to go stab, butterfly?

          • Sam Hb

            Don’t you have something better to do than to reply to a 6-months-old comment?

          • shea

            Dont YOU have something better to do ( or worse as I intimated earlier ) than reply to a reply of a 6 month old comment?

          • Sam Hb

            Apparently my 6-months-old comments hurt you so badly you had to insult me and say meaningless diatribe.

          • shea

            Keep shoving your pecker in a sh*thole, and you will soon see who meaningless it is.

          • Sam Hb

            Ad hominem. Nice
            Proof that gun-fanatics have no business talking about biology or psychology.

          • shea

            But mentally deranged people who find stroking a mans excrement factory outlet as an admirable and laudable behavior should discuss biology and psychology because they are oh so mentally stable – gotcha.

          • Sam Hb

            That’s quite descriptive. You must be projecting.

          • shea

            Really Sam? That tired old kindergarten line, ‘whatever you say to me bounces off me and sticks to you”? Smh…..

          • Mike Hammer

            From perusing this thread, I think most of you are way out of your league with this Shea fellow. Maybe you should ply your ware of lies on someone less gullible and less intellectually equipped. That’s includes not engaging me either, perverts, you have no chance.

          • shea

            That you for your kind words Mike.

          • shea

            Sigh. An insult is NOT an ad-hominem, unless I am addressing your argument and trying to refute it WITH the insult. I was merely insulting you, not addressing your argument.

          • Sam Hb

            And that makes your argument better because…
            You dismiss my argument because you think I’m gay.

          • Mike Hammer

            I think he dismisses your argument because you are not mentally stable; anyone who finds ‘stroking’ a poop-chute, certainly cannot lay claim to having all his marbles.

          • Sam Hb

            Thanks for the info, Dr. Mike Hammer, Ph.D. in B.S.

          • shea

            What is BS about what he said?

          • Mike Hammer

            Actually my Ph.D. is in astrophysics; got it at 22, my first Masters at 18 – what were you doing at 18 and 22? Wasting your time in unprofitable pursuits no doubt, pursuing your hedonistic pleasures.

          • Sam Hb

            Yeah, astrophysics, the science of human sexuality *sarcasm*

          • shea

            A Ph.D. in any subject trumps you, twinkle toes

          • Sam Hb

            Great, now go back inseminating cows or whatever redneck thing you do.

          • Sam Hb

            Yeah, and I’m the Pope.

          • shea

            No, we know you are a homo.

          • Sam Hb

            When people accuse others of being “homos” just because, it’s usually due to projection.

          • Sam Hb

            At least I’m not an inbred fatass troll who replies to old comments without really answering their main points.

          • shea

            No, you’re a poop stabber who swishes his dick in another mans a88hole…….

          • Sam Hb

            Who told you that, your dad? ‘Cause he told me he really likes it.
            Go back to bed, your sister’s waiting for you, pseudo-intellectual hick a88hat

          • shea

            Is THAT all you got? Surely you can do better than that, vile pervert.

          • Sam Hb

            What, you want more? Sure, I know you like it, b!tch

          • Sam Hb

            Great debating skills you got there pal. Maybe NARTH and other reparative therapists could use your insight to fight back against judges and lawmakers trying to restrict their methods.

          • Mike Hammer

            LIBERAL ( meaning homosexuals or their familiars ) lawmakers.

          • shea

            It isn’t an insult when its the truth.

          • Sam Hb

            No, here’s the truth: You’re a pathetic piece of white trash who pretends being scientific yet can’t even provide valid sources.

          • shea

            By Valid you mean sources YOU agree with – a liberal source, of course. Or in other words, I provide INVALID sources, and they are invalid because they do not share your opinion. Got it.

          • shea

            You mean how you provide “valid” sources, sources that are ‘valid’ because they say what you want to hear. Yet I have pointed out every study you have presented is NOT fact, is merely a theory, and have pointed out that NONE of the studies you cite have EVER been reproduced, but you still tout them as FACT and VALID.

            Basically, to you a ‘valid’ source is any source that supports your preconceived ideas, and an invalid one is one that supports mine. Gotcha.

          • Jim

            Those studies pretty much rip apart Whitehead’s claims. Not that most of the people in this thread care about real research.

          • shea

            By REAL research you obviously mean research that conforms to your pre-existing cognitive biases….

        • shea

          Sam you will want to reflect that epi-genetics, as a science, is in its infancy, and that EVERY science, in its infancy, was WRONG for the first 40-100 years of its existence. So I wouldnt put too much emphasis on a budding science.

        • Mike Hammer

          Or not drinking the Liberal Koolaid.

    • wassup402

      Go for it! Produce your own research that proves otherwise. Until then, STHU!

    • shea

      Let me see if I got this right, tard; if a Ph.D. makes a claim that is in opposition to your beliefs, he is biased, but if a Ph.D. makes a claim that supports your preconceived opinions, he is credible. Got it.

  • The Correctness

    It’s always strange to see the liberal xtians try and justify homosexuality. More than likely their condoning of this affliction makes them feel somewhat guilty. This coupled with the fact they think they are doing the right thing, mostly due to hollywood brainwashing. Their intentions may be pure but they are on the wrong side of what’s right. The fact is that they really don’t have the guts to state the obvious.You can love people that have abhorrent lifestyles but it doesn’t mean you justify their behavior.

  • Alida Vismara

    People believe sexuality is a biological event, which concerns genitalia and is regulated by the istinct: genitalia produce pleasure and pleasure cause emotions. This is a wrong idea, produced by our conscious-ness. Instinct does not exist in humans. Sex is learned from the first relationalship. Sexuality is due to a complex neural structuring in our Emotional Brain, which is progressively constructed along the individual life, from the infant attachment, through several interpersonal experiences, till adulthood. Emotional Brain works in a quite unconscious way: the subjectivity of an individual depends from it, but a person may feel only few misleadind feeling from his/her emotional brain working. Some of these feeling may be felt as sexual when he/her come to have any behaviors that may be called sexual. Pleasure is not produced by genitalia through specific neural pathways, but by a “lecture”, by our unconscious emotional brain. It occurs when some environmental, interpersonal and intrapsychic situations are organized in that neuropsychic structure built in our emotional brain, that constitute our individual sexual dimension. When his unconscious work occurs, our emotional brain gives orders to our body and genitalia.
    This “lecture” is transformed and this transformation is transmitted to consciousness as a particular sensorial pleasure. Physical functioning of organs is not the cause, but the effect of an emotion. Its arousal is quite individual. Nobody has same brain as another person, nobody has a sexuality as another person. A concept like “normal sexuality” does not make sense. Therefore, sexuality represents an unconscious aspect of personality – that regards mind and life experiences – that is presented as a bodily automatic functioning. The misleading ideas that people have about sexuality are due to the unconscious functioning of sexuality, which can be otherwise perceived by our consciousness.
    In the book the Authors describe neuroscience, psychoanalysis and experimental psychological researches, which occurred in the last decades, in order to underline how current opinion and literature about sex may be far from a scientific view of sexuality.
    Psychoanalisis, in its most recent development concerning Relationship and Attachment Theory, is used to explain, both the variety of sexual behaviors, and cultural historical, mythological, anthropological literature, which was produced worldwide in the past and in the present time.
    Neurosciences and experimental and clinical psychology sciences demonstrated that human sexuality does not function by physiological automatisms like stomach or liver. It is instead the somatic expression of an emotion, which happeans in the brain and which is primarily unconscious. Human sexuality origins in the emotional brain when it reads some external or internal circumstances as erotic according with its individual memories (“implicit memory”). Each brain developed its functional maturation by its learning from individual experiences, chiefly that neonatal and infant ones: so nobody has a brain equal to another, nobody has the same mind and each person has its own sexuality.
    Notwithstanding scientific progress popular culture is still quite different, nor medical culture is updated. Our book may be useful to sexuologists, psychologists, physicians, educational and social workers, and students, or other scholars who are interested in the topic. Many psychological, anthropological, social and educational considerations can arise if we compare what we now scientifically known about human sexuality and what popular (and sometimes medical) culture thinks and conwequently people behave.

    http://www.imbasciati.it/en/home.aspx?codice=0000000112

    • shea

      You do know that Dr. Ben Carson, the top neuro-scientist in the country, says this is hogwash, right? Of course you know more than he….

      • Sam Hb

        Who cares? He doesn’t even believe in evolution.

        • shea

          Irrelevant, non-sequitur.

          • Sam Hb

            If you deny the reality of evolution your views on natural sciences are worthless.

  • BYUGuy

    “When a battered, weary swimmer tries valiantly to get back to shore, after having fought strong winds and rough waves which he should never have challenged in the first place, those of us who might have had better judgment, or perhaps just better luck, ought not to row out to his side, beat him with our oars, and shove his head back underwater. That’s not what boats were made for. But some of us do that to each other.” – Elder Jeffrey R. Holland
    Please read this article for a Christian perspective that needs to be proclaimed more often in forums and topics like these: http://speeches.byu.edu/?act=viewitem&id=731#.UggO4QQLcr4.email

  • Sarah Firebaugh

    let it be.

  • Rivan

    Hey guess what – I’m gay :-) and if i’m really sinning, then don’t you think god will take care of it? I mean if he is real and everything, and doesn’t like me being gay, he will surely punish me wont he (i mean he is the punishing kind of god isn’t he?).

    But, funny, he doesn’t seem to be getting around to it, why is that? maybe he doesn’t exist after all? (or perhaps you just cant comprehend what pure love really means?)

    Look guys, if you really believe in a biblical god, and you really believe that he doesn’t like me being gay, than why don’t you just leave it to him to sort it all out? why get involved? this is the same argument I would like to use on Muslim extremists – if Allah really exists – then things should all work out without the need for all the crazy and the explosions. Just chill out.

    • George Tasker

      He will sort it out. He’s just taking his time to see how determined you are to follow the lifestyle then he’ll take care of you.

  • Eve

    So this sexual orientation is not genetic but rather behavioral and is trying to be classified on the same level as race and gender. Got it.

  • Sight2behold

    And its just so darn popular!

  • Awake

    If you all think Christians are rigid in their beliefs be thankful this country isn’t predominantly muslim (no capital m for them). Isn’t yet, I should say.

    • Lulu Rocka

      LoL. You think the US is a Christian country? Tchyeah! Maybe 60 years ago… it is a secular nation. Do not fool yourself. Christians and Muslims have similar conservative values that are no longer finding a place in today’s America.

      • shea

        Except that Muslims have no respect your secularism and will not hesitate to kill you in the street where you stand.

        • Bravo Lulu Design

          Uhh.. Turkey is a secular Muslim country. You might want to rethink the validity of your statement.

          • shea

            You Libtards always make me laugh – there is no such thing as a secular Muslim country. If they do not believe in every word in the Quran, they are not Muslims. It’s just like the phrase “Muslim Extremist” is redundant.

            Sheeple always make me laugh.

          • Bravo Lulu Design

            I’m glad you have a sense of humor, that way you’ll laugh over how silly you sound now. LOL

            FYI, Im not a liberal, I’m a conservative.

    • shea

      Agreed. The Left is playing a VERY dangerous game by embracing perverts AND Muslims – with the massive influx of Muslims into this country, and the gradual acceptance of Sharia law, us Christians likely will not have to do anything to stop the homosexuals, the Muslims will do it for us. They will not hesitate to murder them in the streets.

      So you Libtards keep pushing for that ‘multi-culturalism’.

      • Hamfish

        Derka Derrrrrbbbbb!

  • Robson DeOliveira

    The threat is to society, not to individuals, whenever a foundational change is pushed, such as in the case of advocating a homosexual family base. And if one steps back to take a rational look at this scenario, the broader and more consequential picture emerges: if homosexuality becomes the norm, then why not threesome and whatever else other groups might feel strongly about? There really is no end to the Pandora box such a shift will bring. In the end, everyone loses.

  • Robson DeOliveira

    The threat is to society,not to individuals, whenever a foundational change is pushed, such as in the case of advocating a homosexual family base. And if one steps back to take a rational look at this scenario, the broader and more consequential picture emerges: if homosexuality becomes the norm, then why not threesome and whatever else other groups might feel strongly about? There really is no end to the Pandora box such a shift will bring. In the end, everyone loses.

  • mk

    Just yesterday Chris Christie (R) signed a law banning conversion therapy for minors, making NJ the second state to do so.

  • Really

    What does this have to do with guns?

  • john tipton

    so why didn’t they do the study on single kids why just twins?

    • shea

      It was not any twins but ZYGOTE twins – identical twins, which have the EXACT same DNA and Chromosomal patterns as each other. If one zygote twin was gay, and it was genetic, the both would be gay, but thats not how it works out; in the case of male zygote twin, only 11% of the time are both gay, and for females its 14%. If it was genetic, it would be 100%.

      Epi-genetics ( genetic switches ) also does not explain it, as genetic switch activation is in-uterine and pre-natal; the “switches” are activated by various protein chains, peptides, and hormones, and Zygote twins are both exposed to the exact same inter-uterine environment, leaving the only viable option as it is something that happens AFTER birth.

  • D. T. H.

    Ah, healthy arguments. Just my two cents, you can agree or disagree;) everybody knows the verse John 3:16. Look at the beginning, “for God so loved the world…” I see a very broad term used in that fragment. It doesn’t say that He loves strictly His followers (pastors and evangelists and such). THE WHOLE WORLD. That includes homosexuals, prostitutes, druggies, gangsters, alcoholics, ect. As He loves, so do we. His love knows no bounds, so neither should ours. I’m not saying we embrace the sin, don’t get me wrong. However, we accept the person. How else will they ever know the Endless Love?

    • shea

      Loving someone does not translate as putting up with any and every behavior that person chooses to engage in, and therefore not putting up with bad behavior does not mean one does not love. Try again.

  • CG-equality

    This is ridiculous. That’s like saying no one is born Heterosexual. Why infringe on a persons right to express their sexuality and be happy.

  • twhite6878

    Any scientist knows that using twins isn’t valid method. I’m sure twins don’t like the same food and music either.

    • shea

      Food preferences and musical tastes are not genetic traits, moron.

      • Hamfish

        And? Even if sexuality isn’t a genetic trait, why are you getting so wound up about it? Maybe you’d like to kiss a man, but are too scared of what your redneck buddies might say. Go on, be brave, you might enjoy it.

  • DIZZIE

    Why has the discussion immediately gone to religion even tho im christian this article is solely scientific. lets debate it on that level and the irrefutable FACT is There is no such thing as being born gay. It all then boils down to choice. You are Gay cuz you choose to be whatever the reason. And since its a choice I want to be able to NOT agree with your choice hence i shouldnt be forced to marry you (if im clergy) and i should not be forced to accept

    • patp

      You probably also believe that the Earth is 6000 years old and that all the animals in the world fit in an ark without eating each other and other bible bs

      • George Tasker

        Yeah that’s me. There was plenty of room to fit all the animals. Why don’t you do the research.

    • Jon

      No, it’s not a “FACT”; you just looked at an article that supports your view and claim it’s a fact without looking at the whole picture.

      • shea

        Like homos look up articles that support their beliefs

  • Theresa Rakes Semones

    I have never believed gays were born that way. This is a chosen lifestyle.

    • Hamfish

      And? It’s someone else’s choice, and does not affect anyone other than that person.
      No one is asking you to be gay or trying to “make you gay”, so where’s the problem?

  • Danny Adams

    The Australian study doesn’t say anything of the sort – in fact it says the opposite. The abstract reads that their research “provided significant evidence for the importance of genetic factors to the traits’ covariation.” It’s from this article: “Genetic and environmental influences on sexual orientation and its correlates in an Australian twin sample.” Journal Of Personality And Social Psychology 2000 Mar; Vol. 78 (3), pp. 524-36.

  • Danny Adams

    The 2000 Australian research demonstrated exactly the opposite of what this article is claiming it did. One of the articles featuring this study, “Genetic and environmental influences on sexual orientation and its correlates in an Australian twin sample” (Journal Of Personality And Social Psychology, 2000 March) wrote in its abstract that the research “provided significant evidence for the importance of genetic factors to the traits’ covariation.” Another article, “Etiology of male sexual orientation in an Australian twin sample” (Psychology, Evolution & Gender. December 2000) got more specific by pointing out “approximately 42 to 60 per cent of observed variance estimated to be due to genetic influences in these variables”.

    You’re not going to convince anyone that homosexuality isn’t genetic when you lie about the research while the articles themselves are easy to track down.

    • Jen10

      Twisting data to support their claims.
      That’s the CONservative Christian way.

  • Danny Adams

    And by the way, you’ll notice that none of this research came after 2008. That was when the identical twin studies were invalidated by the discovery that even identical twins don’t have 100% identical DNA after all: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=identical-twins-genes-are-not-identical

  • caz

    He is saying what I read ages ago and believe to be true. People who say that they were born gay and God made me like that is not true at all. I have always understood as he explains that being gay/homosexual is because of a choice and after or because something has happened to you in early childhood for instance. I know people who were exposed to sexual relationships with the same sex in early teens/childhood and it messed them up big time. Then years after talking to people about it are not in same sex relationships at all now. It was what they were introduced to at first and choose that way of life due to yearning or want, not because God made them like that at all.

  • Tanya

    Oh dear! Same little, misguided, insulting homophobic argument repackaged as worldly science and statistic. The logic in this article is that being gay is all a figment of the imagination – or, as the article states: the result of exposure to pornography and sexual abuse… this is just offence posing as intelligence. You can smell the prejudice at 50 paces. LGBT people and communities ARE part of history and have always been: queerness is there in nature and in history – make no mistake: and any kind of creator, within any faith – doesn’t make mistakes in his/her creations. None of us is here by accident.

    • George Tasker

      “queerness is there in nature and in history” So is cannibalism, pedophilia, incest and the like. Are you trying to say that you’re in favour of those as well?

      • Hamfish

        Bit of a non-sequitur there, old chap. Homosexual interaction between two consenting adults does not infringe upon anyone else’s human rights. So go away and worry about something worthwhile, like what we’re all going to do when the oil runs out. Next!

        • George Tasker

          Are you suggesting that when the incest occurs between two consenting adults that this is Ok?

  • Tanya

    Also the article fails to acknowledge that LGBT people are part of families and by that I mean in general. The idea that gay people are some mythical, fantasy species, created by deviants; isolated, outsiders, not part of the ‘normal’ ie heterosexual idea is a myth and one created by maggot-headed bigots. By the way most porn and sexual abuse is -statistically- perpetrated by hetrosexual men.

    There are plenty of families where there are two siblings who are LGBT, or generations of LGBT people within it: this isn’t news, it’s just called family. LGBT people are God’s/Goddesses creations, just the same as straight people.

  • John

    If homosexuality happens after birth, it doesn’t mean someone choose to be gay. We still don’t understand the whole process and why it happens. It could be something in the first year of life. It could be witnessing of a sexual abuse between mom and dad who are straight. So don’t judge to fast. Maybe straight parents who have a bad marriage are causing it.

  • Marc

    If
    one twin is gay, there is a 52% chance that the other twin will also be
    gay. This indicates a genetic attribute to sexual orientation.
    Studies have also shown that fetal hormones are either the primary
    influence upon sexual orientation or as a co-factor interacting with
    genes.

    • shea

      It is not 52%; every study on the matter holds at 7-9%, except the Australian studies which show a male 11% and female 14%

  • James van Faagh

    Identical twins 100% genetically identical? No, no identical twin is genetically 100% identical to its’ twin. This kind of pseudo science is harmful. If you care about truth (I know most of you don’t…) go read up on genetics and the rational behind why identical twins are NOT in fact genetically identical.

    • James van Faagh
      • shea

        Sigh, again the article you cite has never been reproduced by other scientists, does not claim to be fact, and is flawed in as much as it has no controls to ensure that the ‘identical twins’ studied were in fact TRUE mono-zygotic twins; TRUE mono zygotic twins share the same placenta, and many many parents who were told they had identical twins, upon further examination, did not. Beings these researchers were not around pre-birth to insure that the twins were indeed TRUE mono-zygotic twins in the same sac/placenta, the study is foundationally flawed.

  • Guest

    This article is based solely on high-school science logic. While you would expect identical twins to have the exact same DNA, they don’t.

    Read this: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=identical-twins-genes-are-not-identical

    That article “dumbs down” the science behind identical twins and how they can exhibit different varied genotypes.

    • shea

      The article you cite has never been reproduced by their scientists, does not claim to be fact, and is flawed in as much as it has no controls to ensure that the ‘identical twins’ studied were in fact TRUE mono-zygotic twins; TRUE mono zygotic twins share the same placenta, and many many parents who were told they had identical twins, upon further examination, did not. Beings these researchers were not around pre-birth to insure that the twins were indeed TRUE mono-zygotic twins in the same sac/placenta, the study is foundationally flawed.

  • bungicord

    If they don’t follow Gods law their sinning

    • Hamfish

      There has been, to date, zero evidence presented proving the existence of your malevolent sky fairy. Next!

      • bungicord

        Some how during your evolution of the species you missed evolving. Are you the missing link?

  • Hamfish

    Whether it’s genetic or a “lifestyle choice”, if someone is gay, it’s their business and it’s not hurting you, now STFU about it. There are many more pressing issues in the world than what people are doing with their private parts.

    • George Tasker

      If it could be proven that it was genetic there will be some that will work on ensuring that only those with heterosexual genetic material will be born. Would make it hard on those who are homosexual now wouldn’t it?

  • Mighty

    Not only are identical twins not born identical (e.g. simple examples: birth marks, finger prints, hair color, eye color, taste preferences), they are not even genetically identical.http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/identical-twins-genes-are-not-identical/

  • Archie Meijer

    What does it matter?
    What’s obvious is sexual orientation is at least not a simple choice (can you just instantly make yourself find even a given individual sexually attractive? I doubt it, I don’t know anyone who can do that). If it can be changed it takes problem-solving and hard work. That’s IF, early life factors could make changing it at older ages impossible or near-impossible. Maybe only some people can change. But even if you could then you are spending resources that could be spent on other mental pursuits. If someone wants to try changing their sexual orientation good for them, but changing is expensive (I don’t mean money other than in how spending your time and mental resources on it could possibly detract from money opportunities but also other opportunities). There may be more serious things in your life (or even potentially fun) that you could be changing why waste your energy trying to change your sexual orientation? Unless you know someone who’d be perfect but is the wrong gender.
    But the activities if consensual aren’t hurting anyone so why go to all that trouble?
    If it’s not effecting your life how is it your business? If you bring up religion, why do you expect everyone to share your beliefs when you can’t prove it? Not trying to invalidate your religious beliefs. Maybe you really do know they are true. But you can’t prove it to others, not definitively anyways. Does other people being gay send YOU to hell? No, then it’s NOT your business. If God exists and condemns gay people to hell then that’s between God and gay people. It’s not your business.
    There is such a thing as political capital. Time spent complaining that people are gay could be spent on other more important issues.

  • Staska Kolbaska

    not only genes cause homosexuality, but also mothers and brains do. ;) read dick swaab guys, he’s amazing author.

  • And

    Animals do engage in homosexual behavior. But it isn’t natural. It’s feral. Animals also rip each other apart and eat each other. Should we do the same? Animals lick up their own feces and vomit. Should we? Just because animals do something doesn’t mean it is right or good.

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